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Eric3237 · 03-11-2006, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardgain

interesting point eric i hadnt thought of it that way. All the published articles i've read point to the mech. being increased insulin sensitivity. Although i've seen personally that it gives me what i would describe as "sugar headaches" if i dose too high. That could be the small amount of carbs in my system being used shuttled quickly, thus dropping blood glucose, or it could be that the carbs are blocked ... that would yield the same "sugar headache".

I guess the type of extract you use would make a difference too. But herbs contain various constituents, so they can potentally do more than one thing!

But my main point 0311 and hrdgain was that I would would hesitate to use it pre or post workout. I'll post more in the "insulin sensitivity" thread, though.

Darkhorse · 03-12-2006, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric3237

But my main point 0311 and hrdgain was that I would would hesitate to use it pre or post workout. I'll post more in the "insulin sensitivity" thread, though.

For my PCT, I was just planning on taking it for breakfast and lunch..

Darkhorse · 03-14-2006, 05:00 PM

Monday: Upper 1

[1x5] Flat Bench: 345
[4x10,8,8,6] Incline Dumbbell: 110, 115, 120, 120
[1x15] Incline DB Flyes: 50
[3x5] JS Rows: 275
[1x12] Cable Rows: 300 (whatever the stack is)
[2x12] Lateral Raise: 45
[2x10] A1- Incline Curls: 65
[2x10] A2- Skullcrushers: 90
[1x18] Hammer Curls: 50

- I was warming up for bench, on my last weight acclimation sets (315x2), and when I lifted the bar of the rest, I felt my pec muscle almost in my armpit pull really bad. Pissed me off bad.. So, I stretched it out and did a set of 5 with 345, strong as hell too, but I still felt that pain every time the bar touched my chest. So, I decided to skip bench pressing because I didn't want that pain turning into something worse. It hurt less doing incline dumbbell. I started off with only 100 for 8 reps very slowly to measure whether or not I could keep going. I ended up being fine and did four sets of 6-10 reps, ending with the 120's for the final two sets of 8 and 6 reps. The pain was only slight after that. It hurt when I picked up the barbell to do the JS Rows too. Still, it wasn't anything close to bad, but it got inside my head enough to where I just wanted to leave the gym and go smash my fist against something. After I somehow made it through the rows, I did a set of cable rows just for something extra. I used the stack for a set of 12.

So, yesterday night and today I've had the heating pad on my right pec ( in my armpit) just in case. 30 minutes on, 30 off. Just FYI....

Darkhorse · 03-14-2006, 05:08 PM

Tuesday: Lower 1

[1x3] A2G Squats: 355 (Pyramid to max set)
[4x12] Power Shrugs: 335
[3x10] Pullthroughs: 150
[3x10,8; 1x20] Leg Press: 12.5 plates, 6 plates
[DC] Calves: 6.75 plates
[1x50] Abs Work: 150

- My pec was sore. Holding the weight for power shrugs gave me a slight pain. I can tell that it's just a pulled muscle. Finished shrugs with a triple dropper. Leg press was easy. A2G squats was super. I nailed the 355 easy, should've probably went for 365. After all the warming up and acclimations, I did 315x3, 345x3, 355x3. I started putting on 365 but pussied out. Lafitrainer if he shows up will tell you cause he was there keeping an eye on me. I felt super after the one minute loaded fascia stretches, executed after the widowmaker on the leg press.

OOhh, feels so good.

Darkhorse · 03-18-2006, 04:24 PM

Thursday: Upper 2

[17 RP] Low Incline Smythe: 315 (rest paused) 11,4,2
[2 x 8] Standing Military Press: 195
[3 x 10] Weighted Dips: n/a
Pulldowns: 250 (2x12 wide), 260 (2x8 medium)
[1 x 10] Reverse Pulldown: 210
[2 x 12] Barbell Curls: 135
[2 x 12] Rev. P-downs: 90 (1 handed)

- My pulled pec muscle was aching after the rest/pausing for low inclines. I tried to do the OHP's, but I didn't think it was worth pushing. I skipped the dips for the same reason..Recovery. I also got a super pump in my shoulders, so much so that it was hard for me to keep my arms above my head for pulldowns. Injuries blow.

On Friday I was supposed to do my lower body, but I was experiencing a dull pain in the left side of my lower back. The kind of pain that wasn't muscle related. So I took the day off and kept a heating pad on it. I figure it was due to the SD, so I stopped and started my PCT protocol a day early.

Saturday: Lower 2

[3 X 8] Front Squats: 235
[1 x 8, 1 x 4] Deadlifts: 365, 405
[32 RP] Ham. Curls: 100 (15,10,7)
[2 X 12] Leg Exten: 160
[4 X 20] Calves: 100
[5 X 10] Abs Work: 140

- Very good day today. Lower back pain (pump) doing the A2G front squats, leftover from the SD experience.

Deadlifts went well. Shooting for one set of 6-8, one set of 3-4 (heavy). I could've went heavier, but my wrist wraps were slipping off so I had to deadlift without them. Ham curls were laying on my stomach, slow controlled negatives. My pain in my lower back has mysteriously disappeared since stopping the SD a few days ago. Thank God for small favors.

Next week I'm going to have to skip flat bench altogether to get my shoulders fully healed. I believe that this was partially due to not taking a full deload after my back to back volume phases. All that frequent heavy benching without rest most definately will tear the shit out of your arms IMO. Looks like I'll use both decline and incline dumbbells for a while....:240:

03-14-2006, 05:00 PM	#103 (permalink)
Darkhorse Moderator Rank: Light Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,955 Country: Gender:	Monday: Upper 1 [1x5] Flat Bench: 345 [4x10,8,8,6] Incline Dumbbell: 110, 115, 120, 120 [1x15] Incline DB Flyes: 50 [3x5] JS Rows: 275 [1x12] Cable Rows: 300 (whatever the stack is) [2x12] Lateral Raise: 45 [2x10] A1- Incline Curls: 65 [2x10] A2- Skullcrushers: 90 [1x18] Hammer Curls: 50 - I was warming up for bench, on my last weight acclimation sets (315x2), and when I lifted the bar of the rest, I felt my pec muscle almost in my armpit pull really bad. Pissed me off bad.. So, I stretched it out and did a set of 5 with 345, strong as hell too, but I still felt that pain every time the bar touched my chest. So, I decided to skip bench pressing because I didn't want that pain turning into something worse. It hurt less doing incline dumbbell. I started off with only 100 for 8 reps very slowly to measure whether or not I could keep going. I ended up being fine and did four sets of 6-10 reps, ending with the 120's for the final two sets of 8 and 6 reps. The pain was only slight after that. It hurt when I picked up the barbell to do the JS Rows too. Still, it wasn't anything close to bad, but it got inside my head enough to where I just wanted to leave the gym and go smash my fist against something. After I somehow made it through the rows, I did a set of cable rows just for something extra. I used the stack for a set of 12. So, yesterday night and today I've had the heating pad on my right pec ( in my armpit) just in case. 30 minutes on, 30 off. Just FYI....
	Darkhorse's Sig:"The greater the development and strength of the main muscular structures of the body, the greater the size and strength potential of the small areas of the body." - Stuart McRobert OCSC

03-14-2006, 05:08 PM	#104 (permalink)
Darkhorse Moderator Rank: Light Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,955 Country: Gender:	Tuesday: Lower 1 [1x3] A2G Squats: 355 (Pyramid to max set) [4x12] Power Shrugs: 335 [3x10] Pullthroughs: 150 [3x10,8; 1x20] Leg Press: 12.5 plates, 6 plates [DC] Calves: 6.75 plates [1x50] Abs Work: 150 - My pec was sore. Holding the weight for power shrugs gave me a slight pain. I can tell that it's just a pulled muscle. Finished shrugs with a triple dropper. Leg press was easy. A2G squats was super. I nailed the 355 easy, should've probably went for 365. After all the warming up and acclimations, I did 315x3, 345x3, 355x3. I started putting on 365 but pussied out. Lafitrainer if he shows up will tell you cause he was there keeping an eye on me. I felt super after the one minute loaded fascia stretches, executed after the widowmaker on the leg press. OOhh, feels so good.
	Darkhorse's Sig:"The greater the development and strength of the main muscular structures of the body, the greater the size and strength potential of the small areas of the body." - Stuart McRobert OCSC

03-18-2006, 04:24 PM	#105 (permalink)
Darkhorse Moderator Rank: Light Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,955 Country: Gender:	Thursday: Upper 2 [17 RP] Low Incline Smythe: 315 (rest paused) 11,4,2 [2 x 8] Standing Military Press: 195 [3 x 10] Weighted Dips: n/a Pulldowns: 250 (2x12 wide), 260 (2x8 medium) [1 x 10] Reverse Pulldown: 210 [2 x 12] Barbell Curls: 135 [2 x 12] Rev. P-downs: 90 (1 handed) - My pulled pec muscle was aching after the rest/pausing for low inclines. I tried to do the OHP's, but I didn't think it was worth pushing. I skipped the dips for the same reason..Recovery. I also got a super pump in my shoulders, so much so that it was hard for me to keep my arms above my head for pulldowns. Injuries blow. On Friday I was supposed to do my lower body, but I was experiencing a dull pain in the left side of my lower back. The kind of pain that wasn't muscle related. So I took the day off and kept a heating pad on it. I figure it was due to the SD, so I stopped and started my PCT protocol a day early. Saturday: Lower 2 [3 X 8] Front Squats: 235 [1 x 8, 1 x 4] Deadlifts: 365, 405 [32 RP] Ham. Curls: 100 (15,10,7) [2 X 12] Leg Exten: 160 [4 X 20] Calves: 100 [5 X 10] Abs Work: 140 - Very good day today. Lower back pain (pump) doing the A2G front squats, leftover from the SD experience. Deadlifts went well. Shooting for one set of 6-8, one set of 3-4 (heavy). I could've went heavier, but my wrist wraps were slipping off so I had to deadlift without them. Ham curls were laying on my stomach, slow controlled negatives. My pain in my lower back has mysteriously disappeared since stopping the SD a few days ago. Thank God for small favors. Next week I'm going to have to skip flat bench altogether to get my shoulders fully healed. I believe that this was partially due to not taking a full deload after my back to back volume phases. All that frequent heavy benching without rest most definately will tear the shit out of your arms IMO. Looks like I'll use both decline and incline dumbbells for a while....:240:
	Darkhorse's Sig:"The greater the development and strength of the main muscular structures of the body, the greater the size and strength potential of the small areas of the body." - Stuart McRobert OCSC

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