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Old 07-07-2009, 11:25 AM   #101
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No I won't. You'll always be an idiot. Never you worry about that.

ps: Curl CANNOT be better than an OH Squat to measure anything.

Plus, your training has zero scientific studies to back it up. Nor are you strong. So theoretically you lack both the theoretical and practical aspect of your methodology. Good Job.

Oh, and I'm not in a race. You can go ahead and get 280 kgs or 380 kgs or hell, 580 kgs.....It doesn't matter to me. Getting your Deadlift up to that will not protect your false methodology from criticism.

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Old 07-07-2009, 12:49 PM   #102
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You mention SAID and GAS and then go right back to your usual rhetoric that one rep and one set is best, overtaining, bicep curls, overtraining, maximum force, time under tension, yada yada. You didnt actually explain ANYTHING.

Why one rep only? Have you measure the acute fatigue effects of 2 reps? How do you know 95% is optimal and not 96%? How have you measured that specific range for tut? And how do you know the effects of prolonged tut? How do you validate reaching maximum contractile force?

This bicep thing is ridiculous. A curl is a measure of bicep strength, sure. Suppose you can curl 50lbs and I can curl 45lbs, I row 90lbs you row 90lbs and I can do 4 pullups and you can do 3. Which one of us is stronger?

I think you proved the argument yourself when you said that an OH can't be done by anyone 'walking off the street'. Its not because they are overly technical, OHs are quite simple movements. Doing the full snatch is technical, pressing and squatting is not. The reason it is hard is because it takes a hell of a lot of stability and overall muscular strength to maintain the press and stabilize it during a squat. Thinking of it in terms of quadracep strength is like thinking of bench as a chest exercise. The OH squat is a not a big poundage movement for most but poundage is not the only thing in the world that measures strength.

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No more warm up, after months on a daily frequency warm up is not required anymore. I think the CNS desinhibted the joints due to the frequent use.
What? Are you kidding me? A warmup is not required, jesus H. A warmup is more than moving and lubricating joints, there is also acclimation. And EVERYONE uses their joints on a daily basis, everyone. Just because you go to the gym and do a couple singles does not mean that your cns disinhibited your joints, and what the hell does that even mean. That is one of the dumbest things I have read in this journal.

I would really love to see some references backing up your claims. Even if its only one, I would love it.

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Old 07-07-2009, 01:15 PM   #103
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Why one rep only? Have you measure the acute fatigue effects of 2 reps? How do you know 95% is optimal and not 96%? How have you measured that specific range for tut? And how do you know the effects of prolonged tut? How do you validate reaching maximum contractile force?
If you correctly apply SAID principle and if your goal is strength you have to train for strength not endurance, not even "force-endurance". Endurance adaptation has a negative impact on strength. If you do sets of 2 reps that's less pronunced than if you do sets of 100 reps. Endurance = Low Force = Small Fibers with Low Frequency of contractions. Never train with High Reps if your goal is Strength. High reps are good for endurance (resistance to fatigue) and they have an effect on muscular volume by stimulating a surcompensation in glycogen and water storages.

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This bicep thing is ridiculous. A curl is a measure of bicep strength, sure. Suppose you can curl 50lbs and I can curl 45lbs, I row 90lbs you row 90lbs and I can do 4 pullups and you can do 3. Which one of us is stronger?
I have the strongest biceps and you probably have a stronger back.

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I think you proved the argument yourself when you said that an OH can't be done by anyone 'walking off the street'. Its not because they are overly technical, OHs are quite simple movements. Doing the full snatch is technical, pressing and squatting is not. The reason it is hard is because it takes a hell of a lot of stability and overall muscular strength to maintain the press and stabilize it during a squat. Thinking of it in terms of quadracep strength is like thinking of bench as a chest exercise. The OH squat is a not a big poundage movement for most but poundage is not the only thing in the world that measures strength.
It's what I said : intermuscular coordination (for stabilization).

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What? Are you kidding me? A warmup is not required, jesus H. A warmup is more than moving and lubricating joints, there is also acclimation. And EVERYONE uses their joints on a daily basis, everyone. Just because you go to the gym and do a couple singles does not mean that your cns disinhibited your joints, and what the hell does that even mean. That is one of the dumbest things I have read in this journal.
If you train heavy everyday your muscles and joints are always "ON" they don't request an extensive warm up if any. It's probably a deshinibation of strength through golgi tendon organ.

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I would really love to see some references backing up your claims. Even if its only one, I would love it.
There are a lot but I'm not a "micro-theorician" I'm a "macro-theorician". What if I show you studies about the negative effect of endurance training ? about calcium flux, mTOR and ATP turnover, etc ? It's not required and would add confusion. You are already enough confused like that with Dual Factor Training and others false concepts. I think it would be better to not enter into micro-theory but just for your information here are a few quotes :

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If the load is high and the metabolic
stress and calcium flux are low, the primary response
will be an increase in the rate of protein synthesis (Phillips
et al. 1997) and an altered transcriptional profile, resulting
in skeletal muscle hypertrophy and increased strength. If the
metabolic stress and calcium flux are high, the primary response
will be increased mitochondrial mass (Holloszy
1967) and oxidative enzymes (Holloszy et al. 1970), resulting
in improved fatigue resistance.
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As described extensively elsewhere in this issue (Hawley
2009), endurance exercise decreases the rate of strength
gains and signaling. To date, the best explanation for this effect
is the ability of AMPK to directly inhibit the activation
of mTORC1 (Inoki et al. 2002).
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In untrained individuals,
exercise with a high metabolic cost and a high load will increase
both endurance and strength, but the increase in
strength will be lower than if the high-load exercise was performed
with a lower metabolic stress (Hickson 1980). This
indicates that there is cellular or molecular interference in
the concurrent development of both strength and endurance,
as reviewed elsewhere in this issue
(Hawley et al. 2009).
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Therefore, exercise
against a high load with low metabolic stress results in
the activation of mTORC1, through a currently unknown
mechanism. When the resistance exercise is repeated at a
sufficient frequency to allow optimal immune response
(Novak et al. 2009) and recovery, the result is muscle hypertrophy
and an increase in muscle strength.
I don't care if it backs up my theory, I have my own understanding : MACRO-THEORY (SAID, GAS, IDENTITY of the NATURE of the stimulation, overtraining, etc.)
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Old 07-07-2009, 01:33 PM   #104
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I'm not talking about endurance. I'm talking about doing 2 reps or 2 sets of 1. That is far from endurance training.

And in my example we rowed the same amount weight.
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Old 07-07-2009, 04:34 PM   #105
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I think results speak more volume than your twisted ideology. I'm sure that most of the people that have commented during the past couple of days have made better strength gains and become more well rounded physically during the past year than you. Or even in the past 6 months. Or the past 3 months. You're moving light weight anyway, which isn't normally a good idea of a person's knowledge. However, when you are trying to apply such principles so haphazardly and have very little to show for it, then that idea gains validity. Just because you read about the mTor pathway, SAID, and GAS, and can explain them doesn't mean that your training reflects an accurate or scientific approach to whatever you're trying to do. It's disgusting reading what you write and to think that you're the only person to train this way and to develop a new profound methodology shows your profound ignorance, especially considering the point that science is at right now. If I remember correctly, Eric called you out on this once before. And all of this is still bogus since your diet is so variable. Once again, I wish you would quit posting on the site because you have not contributed one iota. If anything, you've been a detriment since the day you joined.

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Old 07-07-2009, 06:39 PM   #106
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I wish you would quit posting on the site because you have not contributed one iota. If anything, you've been a detriment since the day you joined.
This.

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Guys it's true that I'm not very strong (strict curl around 28kg per arm, Floor Press ~43kg per Arm, DL ~180kg) but it took me a LOT of time to establish this theory. It's only in the second quarter or 2009 that I have been able to put my theory into practice. Before that I had to test a lot of variables and there are still a few tests to do. 2008 was very bad I under-trained and lost a lot of strength/muscles. Now I have to be patient (not increase the load too fast) and I'll make major progress. The second semester of 2009 will be the proof that my theory and method work.

You aren't moderator and your are the one disrespectful. I have answered all your questions with the respect due to you and I report my workouts with 100% of honestly (rounded back DL, loss of strength when it happens, results of the tests, etc). If someone should leave the forum or be banned that's not me.
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You should leave coz your spouting BS that makes this forum look bad. Imagine a beginner coming in here and reading this, doing this kind of retarded shit, getting injured and then giving bb.net a bad rep. So please, do yourself a favor and FUCK OFF!!
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2008 was very bad I under-trained and lost a lot of strength/muscles.
How could you have undertrained then but not now when you're doing 1 rep per exercise.

You could make major progress. If you knew what a proper progression was. You have automatically thrown out double and triple progression by limiting everything to one set and one rep. The only people that follow a single progression are absolute beginners and even then it is a short period until other means are required.

Something else worth mentioning is that your 'progression' may be nothing more than flucatuations in ability. Let's see where your progress is in 6 months.
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How could you have undertrained then but not now when you're doing 1 rep per exercise.
Because in 2008 I had to test the LOAD. I wanted to see if ONE REP at 80% of the 1RM was OPTIMAL or not. F=MA so even if the load is lighter Acceleration might have compensated the load. It tooks me months to realize it was not the case because at the begining I made REgains at 80% and I thought I was making progress... until the "progress" stop. It's only then after months wasted than I realized that 80% and even 85% and 90% were not enough to provide a stimulus, only enough for REgains. At 95% I have been able to make progress, NEW PR. In 2009 I also tested 100% and I overtrained (lost strength again). Then I tested 100% with a VERY low frequency (a la Heavy Duty) and it failed too, I made minimum progress.

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You could make major progress. If you knew what a proper progression was. You have automatically thrown out double and triple progression by limiting everything to one set and one rep. The only people that follow a single progression are absolute beginners and even then it is a short period until other means are required.
I don't understand why you think that a double progression is needed, why not simply add weight as you get stronger ?

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Something else worth mentioning is that your 'progression' may be nothing more than flucatuations in ability. Let's see where your progress is in 6 months.
At least One Rep at 95% can maintain strength and in my opinion and experience it is enough to make NEW GAINS. You are right I need to see if Great Gains are possible. So you are free to follow my LOG or not, to follow my adventure.
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