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Old 07-23-2009, 07:20 PM   #131
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^^^ I don't want you to feel singled out, Ross....so here I am and I agree with you. This idiot needs to leave OR I hope no noob looks at this crappy journal and does this ridiculous shit.

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Old 07-24-2009, 06:19 AM   #132
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^^ Thanks.

He knows he is unwelcome here. He could just as easily track progress in a paper journal or spreadsheet.
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Old 07-24-2009, 07:20 AM   #133
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Or he could take his head out of his ass. There's always that option
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Old 07-24-2009, 01:42 PM   #134
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Or he could take his head out of his ass. There's always that option
not an option when it's in that far.....
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Workout n21

Deadlift : 151.25
Curl L/R : 25/24.5
Floor L/R : 41

Good workout

You say it's shit because you don't understand WHY it WORKS. It's very simple : bigger muscles = higher force. Train for Force (not volume, damages, effort, inroad or anything esle) and you'll make the best gains. Force is not just the load it's also acceleration it's why it's not requried not even desirable to use more than 90%. Fatigue is built very fast when you train extremly heavy.

If I was (totally) wrong there is no way I could DL 180kg or do a Floor Press with 45kg dumbells. I'm sorry but you guys are the "idiots" who don't do any research, don't do any tests, don't think about training, just follow a standard routine which can be found on internet : westside guru, pavel, HIT, HST, etc. All those methods are wrong (don't train for FORCE) and will ony work for a short time until you overtrain or you'll have to cycle your training and thus have phases of LOW stimulation. If you want SIZE then it's a little bit different because you need to deplete glycogen... I'll tell you more about that in a next post.
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i think everybody here pretty much makes up their own routines...except for hits and i think most of us want to have some sort of body....and 2 reps a day....isn't going to do much. plus that would be boring as shit.
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Old 07-24-2009, 03:19 PM   #137
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Workout n21

Deadlift : 151.25
Curl L/R : 25/24.5
Floor L/R : 41

Good workout

You say it's shit because you don't understand WHY it WORKS. It's very simple : bigger muscles = higher force. Train for Force (not volume, damages, effort, inroad or anything esle) and you'll make the best gains. Force is not just the load it's also acceleration it's why it's not requried not even desirable to use more than 90%. Fatigue is built very fast when you train extremly heavy.

If I was (totally) wrong there is no way I could DL 180kg or do a Floor Press with 45kg dumbells. I'm sorry but you guys are the "idiots" who don't do any research, don't do any tests, don't think about training, just follow a standard routine which can be found on internet : westside guru, pavel, HIT, HST, etc. All those methods are wrong (don't train for FORCE) and will ony work for a short time until you overtrain or you'll have to cycle your training and thus have phases of LOW stimulation. If you want SIZE then it's a little bit different because you need to deplete glycogen... I'll tell you more about that in a next post.

Standard routine's work, that is why lots of people follow them, you should maybe give one a go sometime,
Who knows an idiot's standard routine that everyone follow's may give you a proper 180 Deadlift one where you dont have to round your back and risk injury to get it up.
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Old 07-24-2009, 10:18 PM   #138
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i think everybody here pretty much makes up their own routines...except for hits
I'll deal with you later ; ) right now I need to address this............

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westside guru, pavel, HIT, HST, etc. All those methods are wrong (don't train for FORCE) and will ony work for a short time until you overtrain or you'll have to cycle your training and thus have phases of LOW stimulation
Are you really saying Louie Simmons, one of the greatest strength coaches of our time is wrong? LOL I was feeling sorry for you with all the shit everybody is throwing at you here but your on your own now.LOL

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HIThopper thank you. I know that with my ideas I'll be attacked very often. People don't want to see something different which could contradict their own beliefs. When I said that Simmons is wrong, it doesn't mean that he cannot make people stronger BUT that his method is not perfect. Simmons says that when you train at 90% and above you'll overtrain if you do it for more than 3 weeks. That's wrong. It's only true if you train too hard : go to failure at 90% (4RM) or train at 100%. As long as your EFFORT is not too high you'll not overtrain. In the contrary you can overtrain with much lighter loads IF your effort is too high. Take 60% (20RM) and go to failure 2-4x per week and you'll get weaker after several weeks or months at best. Plus their is no evidences that Dynamic Effort workouts are really more productive than heavy loads accelerated at the maximum possible to increase speed and rate of force developpment. Finally the volume is too high, not optimal and the frequency per muscles is too low for optimal rate of progress. All in all his method works but it's FAR from beeing OPTIMAL.

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Standard routine's work, that is why lots of people follow them, you should maybe give one a go sometime
Jonson I tried, it took me YEARS to build my own method. Before that I have used many methods (HST, German Volume Training, HIT, Heavy Duty, "Volume Training", and many others more conventional routines and also some very exotic routines). I'm not saying that you cannot make progress with a "standard routine" but while you are doing 5 sets of bench press you could make the same gains with only one set. Instead of training your chest only 1-2 per week you could make faster progress with 4-7 chest training per week.

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Who knows an idiot's standard routine that everyone follow's may give you a proper 180 Deadlift one where you dont have to round your back and risk injury to get it up
I'll soon test my 1RM again with a Good Form and I think I'll be able to DL at least 170kg and that's only the begining. At the end of the year I'll DL much heavier, at least 200kg. That's a good challenge but I'm sure that my method will deliever such results.
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Old 07-25-2009, 04:12 AM   #140
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Jonson[/B] I tried, it took me YEARS to build my own method. Before that I have used many methods (HST, German Volume Training, HIT, Heavy Duty, "Volume Training", and many others more conventional routines and also some very exotic routines). I'm not saying that you cannot make progress with a "standard routine" but while you are doing 5 sets of bench press you could make the same gains with only one set. Instead of training your chest only 1-2 per week you could make faster progress with 4-7 chest training per week.
I'll soon test my 1RM again with a Good Form and I think I'll be able to DL at least 170kg and that's only the begining. At the end of the year I'll DL much heavier, at least 200kg. That's a good challenge but I'm sure that my method will deliever such results.
I have tried the one set stuff and the only lift I have ever got up with 'one' working set after a good warm up is deadlifts, I think it could be possible for squats but for upper body exercises no, well not for me anyway.
While I do belive one working set of Squats and Deadlifts may be possible, I dont for one second belive one working rep would be especially after a tiny warm up (like you do)
Anyway good luck with your 200k Deadlift but I do think (and im sure others here will agree) that you are asking for trouble trying to acheive 200k without any accessory work for your core.
I just hope you dont injure yourself I have done it Deadlifting and its not funny
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