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ChinPieceDave667 · 12-16-2005, 11:13 AM

A forum is only as good as its members. that includes you guys too, hrdgain, Eric and Kane.

Darkhorse · 12-17-2005, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Kane

For the time being I'm just doing a moderate workout at the gym.

I'm really glad you decided on that. Hitting the books is more important. I've always felt that if you cannot devote yourself 100% to one thing or another, then why bother trying so hard to do both?

Kane · 01-04-2006, 06:36 AM

I'm back at school and I'm going balls out with my routine 110%. Starting today.

hrdgain81 · 01-04-2006, 06:53 AM

Nice, Keep us posted kane. I'm in the same boat, all fired up to get back to gym bro.

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A forum is only as good as its members. that includes you guys too, hrdgain, Eric and Kane

aww, now i feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Peter Steele · 01-04-2006, 08:01 AM

Don't be a sissy Kanie and use a barbell. Good luck baby.

GM

EricT · 01-04-2006, 10:05 AM

Peter, dumbells presses can actually be more difficult because the weight is not fixed and requires much more muscle action to stabilize it. That is why people have to use less weight with dumbells, not because they are sissy. On the other hand, barbells allow for more weight and that can be good, too.

The increased range of motion you get with dumbells is useful and they allow more variety in hand position. The same applies to other exercises as well. Try tricep extensions or skullcrushers with a barbell, and EZ-Bar; or one or two dumbells and it changes the feel of the exercise a great deal, I think.

This kind of variation is good for everyone but especially for more advanced trainees whose body's have adapted to the monotony of just pushing more and more weight (as important as that is) using the same exercises.

Good luck Kane and happy birthday, Peter.

Kane · 01-04-2006, 10:38 AM

Day 1-Chest/Back
weighed in at 167lbs

A1-Bench Press 135
A2-Flat Dumbbell Flyes 30
B1-Incline Bench 95
B2-Incline Flyes 25
C1-Lat Pulldown 150
C2-DB Pullovers 75
D1-Barbell Rows 135
D2-Seated Cable Row 125

I'm using the barbell for bench btw, I used DBs one day because the benches were packed. Since I'm supersetting with flyes, DB bench would be basically the same ROM as the flyes. So it would be the same as doing a set of 10 instead of the superset of 5's.

As expected, I'm not used to the volume of the workout and it was a bit challenging to maintain the timing, but I'm sure it will come back to me.

I'm using lighter weights so I can get used to the routine again. I think the weights I used are a good base to start from and should go up fairly quickly. I'll go through one cycle with lighter weights so I can set up my base weights and then go apeshit.

EricT · 01-04-2006, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Kane

I'm using the barbell for bench btw, I used DBs one day because the benches were packed. Since I'm supersetting with flyes, DB bench would be basically the same ROM as the flyes. So it would be the same as doing a set of 10 instead of the superset of 5's.

You're good. I wouldn't superset DB presses with flyes, either. And I wasn't saying you shouldn't be using the barbell, of course, just saying they both have their place

The range of motion on DB presses is going to vary with individual practice. But regardless of the equivalence, I think in that case it is better to be pushing the heavier weight of the barbell when juxtaposed with the flyes.

EricT · 01-04-2006, 11:00 AM

I know you're doing the pullovers with lat pulldown, as per 0311's original example, but I've also tried supersetting benches with pullovers (arms kept straight) which is a good change up and works very well also. Just an idea.

Kane · 01-04-2006, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric3237

I know you're doing the pullovers with lat pulldown, as per 0311's original example, but I've also tried supersetting benches with pullovers (arms kept straight) which is a good change up and works very well also. Just an idea.

Good idea. I was actually thinking of doing that a little further into the routine, say 6 weeks in or so, just so the routine doesn't get stale. I plan on doing this routine for about 16 weeks, so around midpoint I'm going to switch up a few of the exercises. So keep the ideas coming

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01-04-2006, 06:36 AM	#43 (permalink)
Kane Rank: Lightweight Experience: 3-5 Years Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,596 Country: Gender:	I'm back at school and I'm going balls out with my routine 110%. Starting today.

01-04-2006, 08:01 AM	#45 (permalink)
Peter Steele Banned Rank: Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 92 Country: Gender:	Don't be a sissy Kanie and use a barbell. Good luck baby. GM

01-04-2006, 10:05 AM	#46 (permalink)
EricT Moderator Rank: Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,887 Country: Gender:	Peter, dumbells presses can actually be more difficult because the weight is not fixed and requires much more muscle action to stabilize it. That is why people have to use less weight with dumbells, not because they are sissy. On the other hand, barbells allow for more weight and that can be good, too. The increased range of motion you get with dumbells is useful and they allow more variety in hand position. The same applies to other exercises as well. Try tricep extensions or skullcrushers with a barbell, and EZ-Bar; or one or two dumbells and it changes the feel of the exercise a great deal, I think. This kind of variation is good for everyone but especially for more advanced trainees whose body's have adapted to the monotony of just pushing more and more weight (as important as that is) using the same exercises. Good luck Kane and happy birthday, Peter.

01-04-2006, 10:38 AM	#47 (permalink)
Kane Rank: Lightweight Experience: 3-5 Years Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,596 Country: Gender:	Day 1-Chest/Back weighed in at 167lbs A1-Bench Press 135 A2-Flat Dumbbell Flyes 30 B1-Incline Bench 95 B2-Incline Flyes 25 C1-Lat Pulldown 150 C2-DB Pullovers 75 D1-Barbell Rows 135 D2-Seated Cable Row 125 I'm using the barbell for bench btw, I used DBs one day because the benches were packed. Since I'm supersetting with flyes, DB bench would be basically the same ROM as the flyes. So it would be the same as doing a set of 10 instead of the superset of 5's. As expected, I'm not used to the volume of the workout and it was a bit challenging to maintain the timing, but I'm sure it will come back to me. I'm using lighter weights so I can get used to the routine again. I think the weights I used are a good base to start from and should go up fairly quickly. I'll go through one cycle with lighter weights so I can set up my base weights and then go apeshit.

01-04-2006, 11:00 AM	#49 (permalink)
EricT Moderator Rank: Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,887 Country: Gender:	I know you're doing the pullovers with lat pulldown, as per 0311's original example, but I've also tried supersetting benches with pullovers (arms kept straight) which is a good change up and works very well also. Just an idea.

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