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Old 09-17-2007, 08:55 AM   #11
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I've done 5x5's where where progressive sets became sets across, this became that, and so on, and THEN I was able to make tremendously long runs.

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Also, a build up in the first 4 weeks before you reach your max on Mon, can make all the difference in the world. That can really be a "deload" from the previous period but it gets the body slowly into the swing of what is to come.

For sure. If we include moving from ramped sets to across, from 5's to 3's, back off and build up weeks (which definately act as deloads), etc., all as part of the overaching method itself, then this style of programming can be used for months and months on end. I certainly didn't mean to suggest that after 8 weeks, or when you miss a PR, you have to change the template.


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But I understand what you are saying, Jeff and I'm not saying you didn't do a good job for you. But what happens for me and you and what is possible is two different things. So while some people will progress longer than others, I don't want to give them the mindset that enables them to give up too soon!
Good point. I remember a new intermediate who used Starr's Intermediate template for about 6 months straight. I follwed his log on another board. I think he backed off once and switched one exercise the whole time.

I think it also has to do with how far along you are in the intermediate stages as well. When I first started Intermediate stuff I used Starr's program as written for about 10 weeks straight, PR's every week on all lifts, and the weights still felt fine when I hurt myself. Who knows how far I could've taken it without changing a thing? I couldn't imagine getting away with 10 weeks of uninterrupted progress now without making changes along the way.

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Old 09-18-2007, 01:53 AM   #12
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Tuesday 18th september:
Front Squat 80kg 3x5
Press 52.5kg 1x4 1x4 1x3
Light Grip work.

I was not able to complete my reps on the press today, so I will make an adjustment next week. Maybe do 3x3 or go for 3x4 using the same weight. Hopefully the reduced workload today allows me to continue progress on Thursday.
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Old 09-20-2007, 02:29 AM   #13
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Buisness as usual!!!

Thursday 20th September:
Squat 137.5 1x5
Bench 112.5 1x3
Deadlift 162.5 1x5
Chins bw 87kg 1x10,1x7,1x6
Hanging Leg Raise 3x10
Calve Raise 360lbs 3x6

Today went as planned. I increased Squat and Bench by 2.5kg. Deadlift was 162.5 for 1x5, because I wanted to work on technique. I will now increase from there. I may move Deadlift to Tuesday eventually. I allways cut open my right shin Deadlifting how bout you guys. Calve Raises have moved 10lbs per week so far. Another reason I struggled last Thursday is the fact I was still trying to increase my Squat by 5kg each week. Today was a great session!! I get to add another wheel to my Squat next week!!!SICK!!!!

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Old 09-20-2007, 10:41 AM   #14
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while you're typing a reply? highlight it all with your cursor...and then hit control + C to copy it...and refresh...then hit control + v to paste it...

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Old 09-20-2007, 11:41 AM   #15
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Yeah I copy all long posts just in case...
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Taking No Prisoners!!

Sunday 23rd September:
Squat 120kg 3x5
Bench 100kg 2x5,1x4
Rows 90kg 3x5
Grip Work 3x5

I felt very strong on Squats today. Powering out of the hole with good hip drive. I felt strong on the first 2 sets of bench, Im still working on my Bench technique and improving each week as I find my groove, and build new motor pathways. Couldnt make the last rep, but feel I can still make progress next week.

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Old 09-25-2007, 01:25 AM   #17
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Recovery:
Tuesday 25th september:
Front Squat 85kg 2x5,1x3
Press 52.5kg 3x4

My Heart just wasnt in it today, I only got 3 reps on my last set of Squats. A few minutes of positive thinking and I got my 3x4 on the Press. Hope I am Recharged for Thursdays PR's
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Old 09-25-2007, 09:46 AM   #18
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You know, Marv, this is the very reason I don't like front squats for so called recovery or light days. Think about why in the world should you ever fail to meet reps on a squat that is supposed to be light and "refreshing" . Or, in other words help you recover. I actually disagree with Rip and many others about the only concideration being pure weight on the bar. Anything that has you failing can't be helping you recover and could be introducing more fatigue. It's obviously intense by any definition of the word and even when people don't fail they still end up using a weight that has a lot of "intensiveness" because of the exercise itself.

It doesn't matter how you were feeling there is no reason to ever have trouble with those squats on Wednesday. You should either lighten up the front squats are just use 80% of whatever you use on Monday's reg squats, which is a much more fool-proof method.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Old 09-25-2007, 03:37 PM   #19
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Thanks Eric,

Great advice, the Front Squat is much more intense. I originally included Overhead and Front Squats to learn the technique of both exercises. Like you said its a Light Squat day, I will change to 80% reg Squats from now.
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Oh, yeah, I had forgotten that was you. Sorry, Marv, we have so many TM journals going they are blending together in my mind. LOL, I need to be careful about that.

Yeah, the 80% takes the guessing out of it.
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