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Andrew.cook · 09-03-2008, 11:37 AM

Preventable injuries are the kind that start with a story line... like:
"Well, there were all these chainsaws sitting there..."
"I was pretty sure I could jump the 20ft to the next roof..."
"So I told him to drop the couch from the third story window..."
"I was pretty sure it wasn't hot anymore..."
"I didn't figure that a GI Joe could get stuck there..."
"So I'm blindfolded and I try to run..."

etc.

Everything else, the "I was just lifting like I always do and suddenly my shoulder hurt." stuff can't be prevented. All the prehab in the world while you feel "fine" is like taking tylenol because you might get a headache. Not that prehab is worthless, and there are some predictable times to use prehab. Big squatters should do some hip/knee prehab, as they are lifting weights that hold a higher potential for "acts of God." Likewise, big benchers would be smart to include some prehab for shoulders and elbows. Basketball players might be wise to pay a little extra attention to their ankles and so on. But otherwise prehab is a little like a preventative filling in a healthy tooth. Might help, but you never will really know.

I suppose if you have the time for it. Most people don't, or could use their time better in other ways.

Oh, and I'm not arguing with Eric, just voicing my own opinion on the matter for consideration by Ross and the general public at large.

Ross86 · 09-03-2008, 12:42 PM

I'm learning more each time this happens. By the time I have completely figured out the shoulder issue, I'll probably only have one arm.

I need to plan my workouts for the next week or so. It's something that I always do after an injury or when I start a new training method...then I play it by ear. I have been lost the past few days when I went to the gym. I want to go talk to my PT again also. I need to find time for it. If I just keep up what I'm doing this time, then I don't think I will hurt my shoulder again for a long time unless I do something stupid.

On a good note, I trained my roommate this morning. It was the first time I had a training session with anyone. It went very well. I'm going to base his workout on the last one that I designed...push/pull/leg with adjusted rep ranges for his goals. Not all of the exercises will be the same either. He liked the workout this morning. His bench press form was crappy, but he still did 3X5 with 205. He has the best form for standing military press that I've seen and he was pretty impressive with his weighted dips. So far his form has been easy to correct. I'm excited to see what the leg & pull days will bring since those will be the most challenging.

EricT · 09-03-2008, 12:51 PM

If I can get my shoulders working then you can for sure.

You hang out with monkey's you may get shit in the face. "Shit happens"...OPINION. "Monkey's throw shit"...FACT.

Pitysister · 09-03-2008, 12:57 PM

haha...you make me chuckle.

Ross86 · 09-03-2008, 01:03 PM

That's going in the sig...he makes me chuckle also, Pity.

TALO · 09-03-2008, 05:41 PM

Just got caught up on the 3.5 pages that I missed. Your progress pics look good man , keep up the good work.

Have you ever thought about not training your shoulders? I've done this in the past ( for about 4-5 months ) and it helped. They didn't lose any size or strength at all .

They do get hit a lot anyways.

triqqey · 09-03-2008, 10:11 PM

^^^^^ x2

It's becoming more of a trend with strength coaches to throw out direct shoulder work because they really do get hit a lot through presses, etc.

Ross86 · 09-04-2008, 05:17 AM

My main pressing movement for the next while will be incline press just because it's the most comfortable pressing movement. I want to eventually add standing military back in, but when I do, it will be higher reps. So...to some degree. I'll be cutting out heavy OH lifts. And no more Arnolds...they never seemed to do much for me.

Andrew.cook · 09-04-2008, 10:18 AM

Funny, because I am of the school of thought that heavy overhead work is what makes your shoulders bomb proof. Since I moved from all the weird little shoulder exercises (front/lateral raise, cuban press, arnold press, upright rows) an moved to just overhead push pressing, my shoulders have grown a great deal and feel better than they ever did before.

Might not be that way after you have had an injury, but I have had shoulder injuries and the push press really doesn't bother me at all.

iron_worker · 09-04-2008, 10:54 AM

Well thats good to hear because I was thinking of ways to bring up my shoulder strength so they dont' get hurt so much. I think I'm just going to work back in starting with DE work.

IronWorker

09-03-2008, 12:42 PM	#612 (permalink)
Ross86 Rank: Middleweight Experience: > 1 Year Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NC Posts: 2,283 Country: Gender:	I'm learning more each time this happens. By the time I have completely figured out the shoulder issue, I'll probably only have one arm. I need to plan my workouts for the next week or so. It's something that I always do after an injury or when I start a new training method...then I play it by ear. I have been lost the past few days when I went to the gym. I want to go talk to my PT again also. I need to find time for it. If I just keep up what I'm doing this time, then I don't think I will hurt my shoulder again for a long time unless I do something stupid. On a good note, I trained my roommate this morning. It was the first time I had a training session with anyone. It went very well. I'm going to base his workout on the last one that I designed...push/pull/leg with adjusted rep ranges for his goals. Not all of the exercises will be the same either. He liked the workout this morning. His bench press form was crappy, but he still did 3X5 with 205. He has the best form for standing military press that I've seen and he was pretty impressive with his weighted dips. So far his form has been easy to correct. I'm excited to see what the leg & pull days will bring since those will be the most challenging.
	Ross86's Sig:"Excuses are the building blocks to a monument of nothingness" - Anonymous Stone Black

09-03-2008, 12:51 PM	#613 (permalink)
EricT Moderator Rank: Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,883 Country: Gender:	If I can get my shoulders working then you can for sure. You hang out with monkey's you may get shit in the face. "Shit happens"...OPINION. "Monkey's throw shit"...FACT.
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09-03-2008, 12:57 PM	#614 (permalink)
Pitysister Rank: Middleweight Experience: 1-2 Years Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Midwest Posts: 2,546 Country: Gender:	haha...you make me chuckle.
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09-03-2008, 01:03 PM	#615 (permalink)
Ross86 Rank: Middleweight Experience: > 1 Year Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NC Posts: 2,283 Country: Gender:	That's going in the sig...he makes me chuckle also, Pity. Last edited by Ross86; 09-03-2008 at 09:53 PM.
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09-03-2008, 10:11 PM	#617 (permalink)
triqqey Rank: Member Experience: > 1 Year Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Podunk, USA Posts: 203 Country: Gender:	^^^^^ x2 It's becoming more of a trend with strength coaches to throw out direct shoulder work because they really do get hit a lot through presses, etc.
	triqqey's Sig:"The iron never lies to you. You can walk outside and listen to all kinds of talk, get told that you're a god or a total bastard. The iron will always kick you the real deal. The iron is the great reference point, the all-knowing perspective giver. Always there like a beacon in the pitch black. I have found the iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends come and go, but 200 pounds is always 200 pounds." -Henry Rollins

09-03-2008, 11:37 AM	#611 (permalink)
Andrew.cook Banned Rank: Member Experience: 10+ Years Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Lancaster, Ohio Posts: 353 Country: Gender:	Preventable injuries are the kind that start with a story line... like: "Well, there were all these chainsaws sitting there..." "I was pretty sure I could jump the 20ft to the next roof..." "So I told him to drop the couch from the third story window..." "I was pretty sure it wasn't hot anymore..." "I didn't figure that a GI Joe could get stuck there..." "So I'm blindfolded and I try to run..." etc. Everything else, the "I was just lifting like I always do and suddenly my shoulder hurt." stuff can't be prevented. All the prehab in the world while you feel "fine" is like taking tylenol because you might get a headache. Not that prehab is worthless, and there are some predictable times to use prehab. Big squatters should do some hip/knee prehab, as they are lifting weights that hold a higher potential for "acts of God." Likewise, big benchers would be smart to include some prehab for shoulders and elbows. Basketball players might be wise to pay a little extra attention to their ankles and so on. But otherwise prehab is a little like a preventative filling in a healthy tooth. Might help, but you never will really know. I suppose if you have the time for it. Most people don't, or could use their time better in other ways. Oh, and I'm not arguing with Eric, just voicing my own opinion on the matter for consideration by Ross and the general public at large.

09-04-2008, 05:17 AM	#618 (permalink)
Ross86 Rank: Middleweight Experience: > 1 Year Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NC Posts: 2,283 Country: Gender:	My main pressing movement for the next while will be incline press just because it's the most comfortable pressing movement. I want to eventually add standing military back in, but when I do, it will be higher reps. So...to some degree. I'll be cutting out heavy OH lifts. And no more Arnolds...they never seemed to do much for me.
	Ross86's Sig:"Excuses are the building blocks to a monument of nothingness" - Anonymous Stone Black

09-04-2008, 10:18 AM	#619 (permalink)
Andrew.cook Banned Rank: Member Experience: 10+ Years Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Lancaster, Ohio Posts: 353 Country: Gender:	Funny, because I am of the school of thought that heavy overhead work is what makes your shoulders bomb proof. Since I moved from all the weird little shoulder exercises (front/lateral raise, cuban press, arnold press, upright rows) an moved to just overhead push pressing, my shoulders have grown a great deal and feel better than they ever did before. Might not be that way after you have had an injury, but I have had shoulder injuries and the push press really doesn't bother me at all.

09-04-2008, 10:54 AM	#620 (permalink)
iron_worker Rank: Lightweight Experience: > 1 Year Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Saskatoon, Sk, Canada Posts: 1,103 Country: Gender:	Well thats good to hear because I was thinking of ways to bring up my shoulder strength so they dont' get hurt so much. I think I'm just going to work back in starting with DE work. IronWorker

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