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slayer of souls · 04-19-2006, 10:06 AM

Most of the studies done regarding ECDY have been with Rhaponticum carthamoides and it seems that those who use ECDY derived from Cyantois Vaga are less likely to respond. Anagen and 95% of all the ECDY based products use Cyantois Vaga

Chuck Rudolph in his interview believes that plant origin is not a factor, however some interesting points were raised by Trouble @ M&M.

http://www.superhumanradio.com/core/shr_archive.htm

Right now I am taking 167mg 5x a day. Anagen is going to be priced at $24 which should last a 180-190lb male a month.

http://www.discountanabolics.com/p/SS2
Syntrax Syntra EC is going for $25 dollars right now, you can mix it with legal gear’s gel and even apply it transdermaly. But as of now I am getting excellent results and see no reason to complicate it.

EricT · 04-19-2006, 01:57 PM

I'm confused Slayer. What brand are you using? Rhaponticum Carthomoides (Russian Maral Root/Leuzea/Russian Leuzea/Leuzea Carthomoides) is hugely expensive as far as I know. The amount of raw material needed to extract meaningful amounts of Ecdy on a large scale would be staggering in terms of cost, unless something has changed.

Perhaps Cyantois Vaga is cheaper, hence the general usage.

P.S. Oh, I see, you meant you were using Anagen. When you say 167 mgs a day that means 167 mgs of actual Ecdy? I see it has Rhodiola Rosea and something else.

hrdgain81 · 04-19-2006, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Anagen- Anabolic Adaptagen
20-Hydroxyecdysterone
Rhodiola Rosea
Bacopa Monniera

20-Hydroxyecdysterone

Doesnt say what the break down is, and i just spent way too long to try and find it.

slayer of souls · 04-19-2006, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric3237

I'm confused Slayer. What brand are you using? Rhaponticum Carthomoides (Russian Maral Root/Leuzea/Russian Leuzea/Leuzea Carthomoides) is hugely expensive as far as I know. The amount of raw material needed to extract meaningful amounts of Ecdy on a large scale would be staggering in terms of cost, unless something has changed.

Perhaps Cyantois Vaga is cheaper, hence the general usage.

P.S. Oh, I see, you meant you were using Anagen. When you say 167 mgs a day that means 167 mgs of actual Ecdy? I see it has Rhodolia Rosea something else.

Anagen uses Cyantois Vaga. You are correct, Rhaponticum Carthomoides are very expensive. There is some debate regarding plant origin and its effectiveness, however I am responding very well to this extract and am satisfied with my overall progress.

One table contains 167mgs, I consume 5 spread throughout the day (ECDY has a very short half life)

slayer of souls · 04-19-2006, 09:24 PM

Cyanotis Vaga (Supplying 60% [100mg] 167mg
Rhodiola Rosea (3% rosavins and 1% salidrosides) 100mg
Baccopa Monniera (20:1) 50mg

EricT · 04-20-2006, 07:28 AM

Thanks, Slayer.

slayer of souls · 04-20-2006, 08:56 AM

No problem

slayer of souls · 04-20-2006, 08:21 PM

Day 16
Thursday: Upper 2

Low Incline Smythe: 19 RP (rest paused) 160lbs
Standing Military Press: 3 x 5-8 110bs
Pulldowns(2x15,12 wide),(1x12 medium) 140lbs (10lb increase)
Reverse Pulldown 1-12 140lbs (20lb increase)
Rev. P-downs: 2 x 10-12 100lbs

Training
No change in strength today

Diet:
Spot on.

Supplement Anagen
No comment.

slayer of souls · 04-21-2006, 07:23 PM

Day 17 – Saturday
Lower 2
Barbell Curls: 2 x 6-10
Standing Reverse Curls: 1 x 12
A2G Squats: 1 x 4-8, 1 x 20 (widow-maker) 260lbs
Rack Dead lifts: 3 x 5 270lbs
Ham. Curls: 2 x 10
Leg Exten: 2 x 10
Calves: 1 x 15-20
Abs Work: 5 x 10

Training
BLAH, horrible training day. Not rested nor motivated.

slayer of souls · 04-27-2006, 10:43 AM

Day 23

Upper 1
Flat Bench: 5 x 5 (190lbs) (-10lbs)
Incline Dumbbell: 2 x 6-10 (30 degree) 110lbs (-10lbs)
Incline DB Flyes: 1 x 12-15 (15 degree) 50lbs (- 10lb)
JS Rows: 4 x 6 (170lbs) -10lbs
Lateral Raise: 2 x 10-12
A1) Skullcrushers: 2 x 6-10

Training
Mediocre workout today. I am still not feeling 100%, I have been sick for the past week. Weights fell by 10lbs on almost every single exercise. Hopefully I will feel better tomorrow.

Supplement Anagen
Nothing new to report.

04-19-2006, 10:06 AM	#31 (permalink)
slayer of souls Rank: Member Experience: 5-7 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 414 Country: Gender:	Most of the studies done regarding ECDY have been with Rhaponticum carthamoides and it seems that those who use ECDY derived from Cyantois Vaga are less likely to respond. Anagen and 95% of all the ECDY based products use Cyantois Vaga Chuck Rudolph in his interview believes that plant origin is not a factor, however some interesting points were raised by Trouble @ M&M. http://www.superhumanradio.com/core/shr_archive.htm Right now I am taking 167mg 5x a day. Anagen is going to be priced at $24 which should last a 180-190lb male a month. http://www.discountanabolics.com/p/SS2 Syntrax Syntra EC is going for $25 dollars right now, you can mix it with legal gear’s gel and even apply it transdermaly. But as of now I am getting excellent results and see no reason to complicate it.
	slayer of souls's Sig:"Man is born free, but everywhere he is in chains " Rousseau http://miseryofreflection.imeem.com/

04-19-2006, 01:57 PM	#32 (permalink)
EricT Moderator Rank: Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,883 Country: Gender:	I'm confused Slayer. What brand are you using? Rhaponticum Carthomoides (Russian Maral Root/Leuzea/Russian Leuzea/Leuzea Carthomoides) is hugely expensive as far as I know. The amount of raw material needed to extract meaningful amounts of Ecdy on a large scale would be staggering in terms of cost, unless something has changed. Perhaps Cyantois Vaga is cheaper, hence the general usage. P.S. Oh, I see, you meant you were using Anagen. When you say 167 mgs a day that means 167 mgs of actual Ecdy? I see it has Rhodiola Rosea and something else. Last edited by EricT; 04-20-2006 at 08:31 PM.
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04-19-2006, 09:24 PM	#35 (permalink)
slayer of souls Rank: Member Experience: 5-7 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 414 Country: Gender:	Cyanotis Vaga (Supplying 60% [100mg] 167mg Rhodiola Rosea (3% rosavins and 1% salidrosides) 100mg Baccopa Monniera (20:1) 50mg Last edited by slayer of souls; 04-20-2006 at 09:03 AM.
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04-20-2006, 07:28 AM	#36 (permalink)
EricT Moderator Rank: Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,883 Country: Gender:	Thanks, Slayer. Last edited by EricT; 04-20-2006 at 03:30 PM.
	EricT's Sig:I'm tired of the myth that bb'rs aren't flexible. As a group, they are extremely flexible. They have an amazing ability to bend over, place their heads between their legs, and blow smoke up their own asses. Books and Resources

04-20-2006, 08:56 AM	#37 (permalink)
slayer of souls Rank: Member Experience: 5-7 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 414 Country: Gender:	No problem Last edited by slayer of souls; 04-20-2006 at 08:21 PM.
	slayer of souls's Sig:"Man is born free, but everywhere he is in chains " Rousseau http://miseryofreflection.imeem.com/

04-20-2006, 08:21 PM	#38 (permalink)
slayer of souls Rank: Member Experience: 5-7 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 414 Country: Gender:	Day 16 Thursday: Upper 2 Low Incline Smythe: 19 RP (rest paused) 160lbs Standing Military Press: 3 x 5-8 110bs Pulldowns(2x15,12 wide),(1x12 medium) 140lbs (10lb increase) Reverse Pulldown 1-12 140lbs (20lb increase) Rev. P-downs: 2 x 10-12 100lbs Training No change in strength today Diet: Spot on. Supplement Anagen No comment.
	slayer of souls's Sig:"Man is born free, but everywhere he is in chains " Rousseau http://miseryofreflection.imeem.com/

04-21-2006, 07:23 PM	#39 (permalink)
slayer of souls Rank: Member Experience: 5-7 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 414 Country: Gender:	Day 17 – Saturday Lower 2 Barbell Curls: 2 x 6-10 Standing Reverse Curls: 1 x 12 A2G Squats: 1 x 4-8, 1 x 20 (widow-maker) 260lbs Rack Dead lifts: 3 x 5 270lbs Ham. Curls: 2 x 10 Leg Exten: 2 x 10 Calves: 1 x 15-20 Abs Work: 5 x 10 Training BLAH, horrible training day. Not rested nor motivated.
	slayer of souls's Sig:"Man is born free, but everywhere he is in chains " Rousseau http://miseryofreflection.imeem.com/

04-27-2006, 10:43 AM	#40 (permalink)
slayer of souls Rank: Member Experience: 5-7 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 414 Country: Gender:	Day 23 Upper 1 Flat Bench: 5 x 5 (190lbs) (-10lbs) Incline Dumbbell: 2 x 6-10 (30 degree) 110lbs (-10lbs) Incline DB Flyes: 1 x 12-15 (15 degree) 50lbs (- 10lb) JS Rows: 4 x 6 (170lbs) -10lbs Lateral Raise: 2 x 10-12 A1) Skullcrushers: 2 x 6-10 Training Mediocre workout today. I am still not feeling 100%, I have been sick for the past week. Weights fell by 10lbs on almost every single exercise. Hopefully I will feel better tomorrow. Supplement Anagen Nothing new to report.
	slayer of souls's Sig:"Man is born free, but everywhere he is in chains " Rousseau http://miseryofreflection.imeem.com/

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