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Most of the studies done regarding ECDY have been with Rhaponticum carthamoides and it seems that those who use ECDY derived from Cyantois Vaga are less likely to respond. Anagen and 95% of all the ECDY based products use Cyantois Vaga

Chuck Rudolph in his interview believes that plant origin is not a factor, however some interesting points were raised by Trouble @ M&M.

http://www.superhumanradio.com/core/shr_archive.htm


Right now I am taking 167mg 5x a day. Anagen is going to be priced at $24 which should last a 180-190lb male a month.


http://www.discountanabolics.com/p/SS2
Syntrax Syntra EC is going for $25 dollars right now, you can mix it with legal gear’s gel and even apply it transdermaly. But as of now I am getting excellent results and see no reason to complicate it.

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I'm confused Slayer. What brand are you using? Rhaponticum Carthomoides (Russian Maral Root/Leuzea/Russian Leuzea/Leuzea Carthomoides) is hugely expensive as far as I know. The amount of raw material needed to extract meaningful amounts of Ecdy on a large scale would be staggering in terms of cost, unless something has changed.

Perhaps Cyantois Vaga is cheaper, hence the general usage.

P.S. Oh, I see, you meant you were using Anagen. When you say 167 mgs a day that means 167 mgs of actual Ecdy? I see it has Rhodiola Rosea and something else.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.

Doesnt say what the break down is, and i just spent way too long to try and find it.

Anagen uses Cyantois Vaga. You are correct, Rhaponticum Carthomoides are very expensive. There is some debate regarding plant origin and its effectiveness, however I am responding very well to this extract and am satisfied with my overall progress.

One table contains 167mgs, I consume 5 spread throughout the day (ECDY has a very short half life)

Cyanotis Vaga (Supplying 60% [100mg] 167mg
Rhodiola Rosea (3% rosavins and 1% salidrosides) 100mg
Baccopa Monniera (20:1) 50mg

Thanks, Slayer.

No problem

Day 16
Thursday: Upper 2

Low Incline Smythe: 19 RP (rest paused) 160lbs
Standing Military Press: 3 x 5-8 110bs
Pulldowns(2x15,12 wide),(1x12 medium) 140lbs (10lb increase)
Reverse Pulldown 1-12 140lbs (20lb increase)
Rev. P-downs: 2 x 10-12 100lbs


Training
No change in strength today


Diet:
Spot on.

Supplement Anagen
No comment.

Day 17 – Saturday
Lower 2
Barbell Curls: 2 x 6-10
Standing Reverse Curls: 1 x 12
A2G Squats: 1 x 4-8, 1 x 20 (widow-maker) 260lbs
Rack Dead lifts: 3 x 5 270lbs
Ham. Curls: 2 x 10
Leg Exten: 2 x 10
Calves: 1 x 15-20
Abs Work: 5 x 10


Training
BLAH, horrible training day. Not rested nor motivated.

Day 23

Upper 1
Flat Bench: 5 x 5 (190lbs) (-10lbs)
Incline Dumbbell: 2 x 6-10 (30 degree) 110lbs (-10lbs)
Incline DB Flyes: 1 x 12-15 (15 degree) 50lbs (- 10lb)
JS Rows: 4 x 6 (170lbs) -10lbs
Lateral Raise: 2 x 10-12
A1) Skullcrushers: 2 x 6-10


Training
Mediocre workout today. I am still not feeling 100%, I have been sick for the past week. Weights fell by 10lbs on almost every single exercise. Hopefully I will feel better tomorrow.


Supplement Anagen
Nothing new to report.