Kane

I did the program ( I think theyre the same) and got some good results.

Here's my journal link :

http://www.bodybuilding.net/personal...-5x5-1731.html

Kane's Sig:

Bench:275 [1x1]
Deadlift:365 [1x3]
A2G Squat:255 [1x3]

"Shut up and squat!"

"NO, this is my squat rack. Go get your own!"

Darkhorse

Anything will work for a while. Try it out for a month or two and see for yourself. Personally, I think it's not 1/10 as good as what you're doing now for your 5x5. Your focus NOW is compounds structured around the squat. Strength gains might be lowered since your frequency is lowered, and doing legs/back only once a week is harsh! I think Sleazy tried that program and completely plateaued..Even with their remedy of 5 x 3.

I found I never plateaued with planned overtraining and cycling intensity with volume... Which this program doesn't do. This one I imagine would continue for 8 + weeks (some exercises 5x5, some 5x3), then take a week off and pick different exercises and continue.

I guess I'm biased in the end. If doing Bill Starr's 5x5 is bringing continued results, but you're personally a little bored with it, it would make more sense to me to keep the structure, keep the principles, and just tweek exercises/volume/intensity.. Something like doing squat variants, 5-6 sets of singles for an exercise or two, ect....

Darkhorse's Sig:

"The greater the development and strength of the main muscular structures of the body, the greater the size and strength potential of the small areas of the body." - Stuart McRobert

"Many coaches and athletes don't believe in the benefits of GPP at all. Who are the worst offenders? Bodybuilders and powerlifters are by far the worst!. They feel that all they have to do is train the main lifts to get strong. This is why so many of them are out of shape." - Dave Tate

_Wolf_

^^^x2

_Wolf_'s Sig:

Training Log


APT Pro Wrist Straps

Eric3237

Generally I would say the same thing. Your basically contemplating a sudden drop in frequency and then putting some icing on to try and make up. Like the man said, anything may work for a while but honestly I can't agree more that what you did before was a ten time better program.

Is that the same thing? 0311 said it's not 1/10 as good as your current and I said your current is 10 times better. LOL I think that comes to the same.

Eric3237's Sig:

"Not everyone trains for strength": True. Not everyone one is smart either. Personally, I'm training to be an olympic sprinter so I can have big legs. I also like to move huge boulders because I like the way they look over there...

Darkhorse

BTW, if you ARE going to try out Needsize's 5x5, focus 100% on increasing your MAIN 5x5 exercises. The supplemental lifts like the 2x10 can be held over every once in a while so long as the going trend is upwards. For example, if I was to do that program in another life, I'd probably keep my "chest day's" incline DB press set with 115-120 lb DB's, and focus MORE on the 5 x 5 bench press. Follow me?

Darkhorse's Sig:

"The greater the development and strength of the main muscular structures of the body, the greater the size and strength potential of the small areas of the body." - Stuart McRobert

"Many coaches and athletes don't believe in the benefits of GPP at all. Who are the worst offenders? Bodybuilders and powerlifters are by far the worst!. They feel that all they have to do is train the main lifts to get strong. This is why so many of them are out of shape." - Dave Tate

Eric3237

Yeah, their is some discussion of this in Kane's Needsize journal if I recall.

NO, maybe not. I may have mixed it up with another journal. OVT?

Eric3237's Sig:

"Not everyone trains for strength": True. Not everyone one is smart either. Personally, I'm training to be an olympic sprinter so I can have big legs. I also like to move huge boulders because I like the way they look over there...

TALO

Thanks Kane, Thanks for the link. Looks good.

TALO's Sig:

"But when do you actually grow? Well, we don't grow in the gym. In the gym, we destroy. We tear down the body. We only grow when we are recovering. That's right, I said recovery. I see it all the time--people beating themselves up in the gym and not seeing results. They don't understand that hitting the weights hard is only a small part of growing or even cutting down. I could train the same all year round and get big or get ripped just by eating different and taking different supplements"

TALO

I get what your saying, and yes Bill Starr's was bringing very good results. I am a little hesitent of changing programs since I love squatting 3 times a week, but my shoulder can't handle the bench 3 times a week. So I am kinda hoping this ( along with the stretches and advice from others) this will give it a bit of a break while still getting the workouts in, and hopefully the strength gains. If I find that I plateau to fast, I will go back to the 5*5.
I will be starting off heavier, so it won't take long to see if it works or not. Like you said I will try it out for 1 or 2 months and see what happens.

TALO's Sig:

"But when do you actually grow? Well, we don't grow in the gym. In the gym, we destroy. We tear down the body. We only grow when we are recovering. That's right, I said recovery. I see it all the time--people beating themselves up in the gym and not seeing results. They don't understand that hitting the weights hard is only a small part of growing or even cutting down. I could train the same all year round and get big or get ripped just by eating different and taking different supplements"

TALO

Coming from the two of you and your experience I would have to agree, but I think with the week between some exercises I'm hoping to still gain some strenght and give the shoulder a long break between. One thing that I notice while doing the 5*5 with my shoulder is that it would start to feel better in between working days (especially with the 2 days off) then hurt again after a workout. Now 1 week between squats, I'm hoping not to lose too much, so I will just kill them for that one day and hope they get stronger in the 6 days off.

TALO's Sig:

"But when do you actually grow? Well, we don't grow in the gym. In the gym, we destroy. We tear down the body. We only grow when we are recovering. That's right, I said recovery. I see it all the time--people beating themselves up in the gym and not seeing results. They don't understand that hitting the weights hard is only a small part of growing or even cutting down. I could train the same all year round and get big or get ripped just by eating different and taking different supplements"