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then don't type so damn much....

I have to so that I am clear as possible. Too often you get people making absolute statements about training and that is what I am trying to avoid. Just go watch MTV if it's too much for your ADD

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.

Classic!


OK, I completely understand what your original point was. I did get a little confused, but it all makes sense now. Sometimes I do overthink this stuff, but I'd rather be too concerned than just go in there and bust out some crappy reps. I actually think this conversation came at a great time as I can feel myself starting to reach a point where my lifts are going to level out, so this reinforces the fact that I need to stay focused on form and not just worry about adding 5 or 10 more pounds. But it also seems like a great way to help me get through a barrier. I know I want to add weight to my bench, but I'm concerned that I won't be able to get all 15 reps done with proper form, so I've been holding off. That whole proactive theory could be just what I need. Obviously I'm not talking about switching off the 3x5 system, but if I have to use that for 1 day to get the reps in, it should help me progress for the next workout. There really is a ton of info to take in from your posts, so I'm going to go read them again to make sure I didn't miss anything. Again Eric, thanks for all the help. Hopefully one of these days all this info will actually translate into me not being a complete weakling.

^^^^I think you understand exactly what I'm getting at now in terms of your current training. I wasn't accusing you of overthinking! I was just saying that I may not have made myself clear. That's the thing...this isn't some cut and dry thing I can narrow down to bullet points so if it seems like a lot that is because there is a lot of thought that goes into it. But overthinking is not a term I use very freely because I've discovered it's mostly something "guru's" holler when they don't know the answer to your question I believe this is a thinking man's game and the only people who don't think so are those that get headaches from so much mental activity.

I do want to say (and then I'll shut up) that I don't believe that obsessing over perfect textbook form is a good idea. Like trying to make your body move in an unnatural way in order to adhere to someone's else's rigid defintion of "proper". The truth is I've strained myself as often doing that as anything else. So I am talking about "good form" as in the last rep being similar to your first rep but at the same time I don't believe it is a good idea to never push the limits (within the realms of good judgment). I think that is paramount. So all this stuff is not mean as a treatise on form just a discussion about another tool in the toolbox.

fuck mtv. i don't allow anybody to watch that channel when they are here....but i'm not going to pay to have it blocked.

they have cheapened music more than the radio has. fags.


unless of course it's mtv2...and...it's headbangers ball.

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I got it now. ;) Sometimes the brain takes a while to comprehend this stuff. lol I agree with the whole perfect textbook form statement too. That was really holding me back because I was obsessing. Now I know the key points of each lift and I focus on those while keeping what I believe is very good form. I really do overthink, but that's just my personality. It's all good! And please, feel free to add any knowledge at any time. I thrive on this stuff.


Oh, and Pity, channel 683 on my Verizon FiOS tv is Headbanger's Ball. It's one of the music channels and perfect for a good workout.

i would love it if i could get tv coverage anywhere on my phone...i only get it when i'm up in the twin cities....but that's not often enough to get me to pay for it

Another great workout for the most part. Increased squats and still have room to go. I'm not going to get greedy though, I'll take 5lbs per session for as long as it lasts. I know I felt tired Monday, but today felt easier than I expected, so that's pretty cool.

BUT, I wanted to switch back to rows tonight and I am either doing them incorrectly, or I truly despise them. Can someone please hook me up with a video link on how to perform a proper row? I've wasted too much time and I'm concerned I'm missing out on my back development.

Workout B
Squat
3x5 - 185lbs

Overhead Press
3x5 - 90lbs

Curls - 3x5 - 85lbs

Why does it have to be either/or. Why do you feel you can't do both?

I don't know Eric. I think I'm just very frustrated with the whole back workout thing. Feels like I've been able to get all the other exercises down to a very good form, but when it comes time for the back, I'm either too weak to do the pull-ups, or I feel like I'm going to hurt myself on the rows. So instead of focusing on both, I thought I would just figure out what I'm doing wrong with the rows for now, build some strength back there, and then add the pull-ups back in down the road. Wish I had one of those assistance machines for the pull-ups. Are these the only 2 good options for back development? Only thing I can think of is waiting for my wife to get home and then have her assist me on the pull-ups, but that's not really a decent option since she's not consistent with getting home at a certain time.