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Old 02-16-2008, 10:21 AM   #31
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Good to hear your back on track Jeff, hope those injuries behave themselves.
Where abouts in spain are you going?
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Old 02-16-2008, 12:15 PM   #32
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On the Cissus, Jeff, I have read about being a pretty strong analgesic. The stuff about it healing bones seems to be pretty legit but it's not really been "tested" for ligament, tendons..so it's just an assumption there. But if the analgesic property is so strong then be careful since masking the pain could cause you some big problems. One thing most people don't seem to get in regards to injuries is that absence of pain DOES NOT mean healing of injuries. I'm not saying you don't know that but that you can sorta see why people would swear by it just by that alone. If you were to slip them some good pain meds and tell them it was a joint healing herb...they'd swear by that as well .

I'm not saying it won't help but just to be aware of that.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Old 02-16-2008, 03:13 PM   #33
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Hey Jeffo good to hear some good news from you mate.Your maxes are still impressive and Im sure you'll cruise past em.

I've read some cool journals on other sites about people gettin good results with sheiko programs, let us know how you go it looks interesting.

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Old 02-17-2008, 06:44 AM   #34
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Thanks for the positive words gents. I'll be sure to let you know how the 4 weeks go.

Thanks for the heads-up Eric. I was aware of those things, but it's good that you posted them here. I should have mentioned more about the Cissus in my original post. Actually, the strong analgesic properties of the herb made me reluctant to use it in the first place, for the reasons you describe. Good that you brought it up.

We've got 3 weeks in July to mess around in Spain. I've been there before and would like to spend this time in the north east and perhaps one of the islands in the Med. I can't wait to give surfing in San Sebastian another go!

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Old 02-17-2008, 08:25 AM   #35
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That sounds AWESOME. I was in Spain for 6 weeks this summer. I was kind of based in Madrid, but got to go everywhere. Towards the end of the trip I went to Asturias and fished in Mieres (near Oviedo). I want to go back and rent a car...that would have made it so much better. It's worth it IMO if you're going to be traveling around a lot. You don't save that much money by taking trains, buses etc. San Sebastian is beautiful. Will you be around Pamplona for La Fiesta de San Fermin?
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Old 02-17-2008, 09:48 AM   #36
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Glad to hear things are getting back on track. Take care of yourself and enjoy Spain!!
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Old 02-18-2008, 01:10 AM   #37
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Thanks Widdow.

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Sounds like it was a good time. I agree; if you want to do lots of smaller trips around to smaller places, renting a car is the only way to go. I spent about 5 weeks in Spain and Portugal a few years back but only went to larger, more visited places like Madrid, San Seb, Barca, Sevilla, and the likes. A car wasn't necessary.

This time around we're thinking of spending about a week in San Sebastian and Bilbao, then a week around Barcelona, then our last week on the islands somewhere. We may rent a car from San Seb and take a few days to get down to Barca. We then might rent a car for a few days on the island as well. We're really looking forward to it. I've spent a total of 9 months traveling in Europe over a 2 1/2 year period and loved every second of it. My missus hasn't been to that many places, so she's excited as well.

I don't we'll be in the area at the time of San Fermin. Even if we were, I don't think I'd be allowed to take part in the festivities. I didn't go when I was in Spain the first time either. Did you? I met a few guys who'd gone the year before. They all said it was "fun" but "deadly." Everyone gets pissed, doesn't sleep, then gets courageous and runs around with massive angry bulls. One of the guys got tossed and said he was thinking about what he should do with his second chance at life lol!

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Haha. Yeah, I think that San Fermin is more about the other "festivities" than anything. I was there during the summer for a day. No where to stay, so we got sleeping bags which is common. I was very badly hung over from a 4 day long drinking binge. I slept in some woods at night and got soaked because it rained. Got up the next morning and didn't get to the street until 7:45. The bulls run at 8:00. It was packed...for all that, I never saw a bull. I didn't "run" with the bulls either though. I heard too many jokes about Americans dying.

The topless beach in Barca was the highlight of my trip. Spanish women are beautiful...although that might be awkward with the missus. It would be an awesome drive from San Sebastian to Barca. I just hated the bus because some of the coolest stuff I saw was from the bus windows and I couldn't stop to enjoy it.

I never got to go to the islands. I am going to stop there the next time I go to Spain. Enough reminiscing..I'm getting home sick. Enjoy the Mahou! Buen viaje!
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Old 02-19-2008, 12:11 PM   #39
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Yeah, Spain is a great place to discover. Every place on the planet has its highlights, and they're almost always off the beaten path. I'm sure I'll enjoy round two of tapas, fiestas, and the odd topless beach

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Old 03-17-2008, 03:49 AM   #40
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Hi fellas,


Well, the four week program has come to an end. It was an interesting experience to train in such a prescribed and controlled way. This is really the first time I'd traine based on percentages, and it was very interesting to note how difficult things "felt."


I basically ran the program as written. I ended up following the DL stuff to the letter, and included the Dips as well. I ended up changing a few things though:

a) I never did the GM's, opting for back extensions instead. Sheiko GM's are not Westide GM's, but more of a light accessory exercise. The various back extensions were fine and they seem to do more for my back health than GM's.

b) I always did a press instead of a behind the neck press. I've never liked behind the neck presses, so screw 'em. I always cleaned the weight before pressing.

c) I always chose DB presses on a slight incline instead of flat presses or flies. I kept time and rested 60 seconds the first two weeks, and 90 seconds the last two weeks. I hit failure a few times, and just did more sets until I got my 50 reps.

Other than those things above, I followed the plan as written. It felt like a lot of work in the big three. I was benching almost every training day, and I felt like I was squatting a lot too. The repeats made squat days feel like the whole workout was just squats. The DL days didn't feel like this, because the program called for the regular deadlift and three variations. That broke up the monotony and was very much appreciated.


I've got a few things to mention about my experience with the program, so I'll just lay them out in no particular order.

1) The weights never felt all that heavy at all, especially on the Bench Press. Obviously, 85% for 2 reps is not that tough, but I expected to be more fatigued near the end of the cycle and for the weights to feel somewhat heavier. I never felt like it was going to be diffuclut to complete a set. This is interesting to me, as it means I've always trained closer to failure than the soviet OLY / PL coach recommends.

2) I always lifted explosively, which made the sets more difficult than they were on paper. I normally rested 90-120 seconds between heavier sets.

3) Despite the weight never feeling that heavy, there was a lot of tonnage per session. Most sessions took me about 90 minutes, a couple stretched to almost 2 hours, and each session was dominated by squats and bench presses, or deadlifts and bench presses. The sessions did tire me out, but it was a different tired than what results from higher intensities.

4) The first week and a half left me pretty sore, but after that DOMS was no longer an issue. The last two weeks didn't result in any soreness whatsoever.

5) There's lots of practice at weights that are only moderately heavy. This give you a lot of time to practice the lifts and work on your technique. I feel that my bench and deadlift technique have tightened up somewhat after completing this.

6) You get some funny looks and odd questions from the musclerag BBers in the gym. Especially if they notice that you've got back to the bench or squat rack for a second round, or that you've benched two days in a row.


I'm going to deload and then try to peak. I'll take this week easy, maybe do some light lifting and some easy cardio a couple of days, then I'll try to peak over a two weeks timeframe. I haven't written anything out yet, but when I do I'll post it and see what you guys think. I've got some ideas of what to do, but I've never planned a peak so it'd be good to have some input from other people with more experience than me here.

One last note; my weight increased to 201 lbs in the first two weeks, then it stabalized. I'd like to get back down to 198 lbs before I max out in a few weeks.

One last last note; I've pretty much stopped with the Cissus. I've got a handfull of capsuls left, but since I hadn't really noticed any effects from it I just stopped thinking about it. Maybe it does great things for healing bones, but it didn't seem to help me out with my issues. The physio visits I've had do seem to have helped to a decent degree, so that's a positive.

OK, thanks for reading,
Jeff
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