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Old 06-08-2006, 09:17 AM   #21
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I am curious just how heavy are you training? I am or will hit a row with uo to 365 for 5 reps. I never go over 3 sets of any exercise. Usually in the 2nd day after a back workout my lats are failry sore. I have a feeling either you are now pushing it to failure for all three sets or your deploying that pyramid nonscense. Where by the time you hit your heaviest set you are too wasted to get any quality reps. I do a reverse pyramid much like 0311 takls about. Remember your always strongest at the beginning of an exercise. I have a gut feeling your are not doing as low of sets as I am. Also if you are doing body parts over once a week and going to failure with massive weights you would be a physical wreak after a fe months of this. I have personaly never seen a person that goes all out with the same muscle twice a week go that heavy unles he is a roided up Coleman trainer. I am curious how you are doing this. If so, you have the most amazing recovery system on a natural guy. If you are not up to super heavy weights and all out failure I can see how one can train constantly but once you are hitting above 85% max with sets in the 5 to 6 reps I think not, No offense.
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Old 06-08-2006, 09:45 AM   #22
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I am not the only one doing this. Sounds like your describing a sort of HIT thing.

My bread and butter is full-body workouts or at most upper/lower splits in the 3 to 6 rep range. I don't often pyramid unless for a specific reason.

And no, I am not alway stronger at the beginning. Matter of fact when I do 5x5 same weight and working with 85% intensity or better I find myself wondering if I can get throught the second set and then breezing through the last. I don't go to all out failure. I go to near failure but always leave one in the tank. I will go to failure sometimes and on certain bodyparts most of the time. As to recovery my recovery ability has been maximized from hitting my muscles more frequently over time and avoiding CNS overtraining and metabolic fatique when possible which is really the problem you are talking about.

But I have a feeling that your next post will be something about how the longer and harder you train the less often you can train, right?

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Also if you are doing body parts over once a week and going to failure with massive weights you would be a physical wreak after a fe months of this.
That's why 90% of natural bodybuilders don't go to failure. Heavy or not. I can do 405 x 2 flat bench on Monday, do 225 x 3 standing military press on Wedneday, then do some heavy ass inclines on Friday.

Working your muscles once per week is one of the worst ways to train. Think about it.. If protein synthesis is only elevated for 3 days within the muscle, why in the world would you want to grow for 3 days, then struggle to maintain your growth for the other 4?? Soreness is not an indicator for growth, and you can certainly train while sore.

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If you are not up to super heavy weights and all out failure I can see how one can train constantly but once you are hitting above 85% max with sets in the 5 to 6 reps I think not, No offense.
You mean I can't do it for years on end without stepping back? Of course not! Nor even months on end. You would need a deload after a certain point. Hell, this is one of the reasons periodization was invented.
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0311,
whew for guys who write allot and paste and cut. You talk sideways.

Here is my routine. And yes I do train more than once a week... just a diffrent muscle grouping and in a logical method,..

Day One
Incline press 3 sets
Flat Press 3 sets

Day Two
Squat 2 -3 sets
Leg Press 2 sets
Lying Leg Curl 3 sets

Day Four
Off

Day Five
Off

Day Six
Bent Rows 3 sets
Front lat pulldowns 3 sets
Rope Row 2 sets

Day Seven
Military Press 3 sets
Shrugs 3 sets
Rear laterals 2 sets
Side laterals 2 sets
Standing Calves 3 sets
Seated Calves 2 sets

Day Eight Off

Day Nine
Overhead Tricep Ext 3 sets
Lying Tri ext 2 sets
Alt Dumbell Curl 2 sets
EZ bar curl 2 sets
Wrist curls 3 sets

Day ten and eleven off

Day twelve
start the cycle over

Notice I dont religiously go be some archaic weekly structure. Your body doesnt give two figs about what day of the week it is.
As long as your blasting and fully recovering that is the key.

Just make sure to eat train and rest
If you train two days in a row then rest two days in a row.

That is my two cents worth.
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No one is talking sideways. You just don't understand what we are saying.
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Fascinating routine though. I've been researching. I think it's called a split. Must be some new thing.

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Good job, btw, of avoiding hardly any type of overlap between muscles worked.
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Sleeper, that workout sucks for anyone NATURAL. What's so hard about this?

Go back to bodybuilding.com or whatever HIT site you're from because you cannot simply prove ANY OF YOUR ARGUEMENTS...Nothing beyond "Wow, you cut and paste alot." How old are you again??

All I ask is any proof aside from either heresay or I heard from my mother's sister's boyfriend's uncle.. Or my new favorite, "You cut and paste alot so that means I'm right"

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Fascinating routine though. I've been researching. I think it's called a split. Must be some new thing.
Pretty revolutionary..A bodybuilding SPLIT, one of the worst ways to train.

Go push the search button and find "The Death of Modern Bodybuilding" You're killing the forum
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