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Old 04-09-2009, 11:52 AM   #1
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Default Strength Gone?!!?

When I hit up the gym, I am able to lift a descent amount of weights on free weights and machines, more than my friends. We also work out legs too and i do a pretty good job all around. But when its time to show it, for example, pushing my friends or whatever in real life i dont feel as strong. What is the problem with me or in general?
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Old 04-11-2009, 11:55 AM   #2
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Well it could be any number of things why you feel like that..

It could just be that you are always in a state of recovery and a bit fatigued. That would be be a clue that perhaps you over-reach a bit.

Or it could just be that you don't "cross-train" very much and you're training prepares you to lift weights and use machines but not to "play" in a strong way.

I have a feeling that you are not doing a lot of standing up in your training. When you push your friends you have to be able to transfer strength from the ground, through the core and out through the arms, more or less. If you use machines, and bench press, leg press, etc..rather than using your body as a whole then there is your answer.

Strength is specific and subjective. You could be a guy who easily bench presses 400 pounds but then get tipped over by a 150 pound dude using his finger..I'm exxagerating but I think you get the point.

If you want to feel strong in your everyday activities then your traing goals have to reflect that. Most people just want to lift a heavy bar and THINK that means they are "strong" in general.

Well if you deadlift 500 than, sure you are strong, right? But are you strong in a wrestling match? Stronger than a beginning wrestler who never deadlifts but not likely as "strong" as seasoned wrestler.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Old 04-12-2009, 06:29 AM   #3
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thank you, so what excercises or tips do you recommend me doing?
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^^^ What are your goals? It's all about specificity.
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Old 04-14-2009, 11:38 AM   #5
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lol your friends are probably bracing themselves. IE using their legs to distribute the force you exert on them. That's why in marital arts they stress proper balance and foot position. You're not pushing DEAD WEIGHT. Their adding the strength of their own muscle, plus their body weight, plus the friction of their feet against the ground. If you can easily push them over then it's more likely they aren't standing properly then an indication of your power.
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Old 04-15-2009, 05:24 PM   #6
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I want to get strong, feel strong and prove that i am strong. i am bigger than my friends and i can lift much more weight than them but sometimes i feel like a wimp or that i am big for nothing.
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Old 04-16-2009, 06:41 AM   #7
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lol your friends are probably bracing themselves. IE using their legs to distribute the force you exert on them. That's why in marital arts they stress proper balance and foot position. You're not pushing DEAD WEIGHT. Their adding the strength of their own muscle, plus their body weight, plus the friction of their feet against the ground. If you can easily push them over then it's more likely they aren't standing properly then an indication of your power.
I think you may be missing the point of the post here, Jester. He didn't say his friends were expert martial artists. The average guy doesn't know anything about bracing himself. To me, this seemed more of a problem with his perception with how strong he is rather than how strong his friends are.

Look at the other side of all that complicated physics. While the "opponent" can brace themselves and are not dead weight, yada yada, what happens to YOU when you push the opponent. To every reaction there is a reaction, right? So you push your friends and they don't move but you feel weak and unstable..that is a good indication that your training does not fit your goals. I.E. if your goal is to FEEL strong and prepared for whatever may come rather than just being able to push around a dead weight, you need to get off the bodybuilding machines, off the bench and train YOURSELF to be able to transfer power from the ground, to the core and through the arms.

I doubt very much that it is appropriate that a guy who is bigger than all his friends should feel weak when tussling with them.

Brian, since your goals are of a general nature you probably just need to make some simple changes in your training philosophy. You'll need to list out your training and give a bit of history and I'm sure people can make suggestions based on that.
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Old 04-16-2009, 03:34 PM   #8
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I don't think having a proper stance is "yada yada". A proper stance is everything... you can have all the power in the world but still get the shit end of the stick in a tussle without proper training. Ask any real wrestler, football player, or marital artist... hell even a golfer will stress this: Power comes from form.

Brian avoid micro managing. IE try lifts that use the majority of your muscles in one fluid motion/rep. Squats are ideal and so are deadlifts for legs. Power cleans and Bench are cool too. I'm sure you do them already but try to focus on them as an indication of your power, everything else you do should revolve around the core lifts.

Personally I like lots of heavy weight and few reps. Then I build up in reps over the weeks. Till I "master" the weight then I start over with more challenging weight. And I rest alot. The guys that kill themselves everyday in the gym I've noticed burn out faster. Wait a month and you should feel stronger.

I hope this helps, all the advice I can give you is what has helped me so best of luck.
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I.E. if your goal is to FEEL strong and prepared for whatever may come rather than just being able to push around a dead weight, you need to get off the bodybuilding machines, off the bench and train YOURSELF to be able to transfer power from the ground, to the core and through the arms.
That is where power comes from.

Did you assume that I was not talking about doing things like squats, deadlifts, etc, but was instead talking about using Russian Maxi-Convoluted Super-Periodized Mirco-Management training?

We're talking about the same thing except I don't know what it means to focus on the lifts as an indication of your power.
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Old 04-16-2009, 07:38 PM   #10
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you seem to be disagreeing with me by agreeing with... im confused.

People max on lifts to chart how far they've gained in strength. That's what they do in the Olympics. Am i speaking Hebrew? If your form is shit then you will 1. not lift the weight at all or worst 2. hurt yourself bad.

I'll stress again Power = Form.
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