Desiccated Liver??? - Bodybuilding Discussion on Bodybuilding.net Supplement Forum

MBOFFICER · 12-28-2006, 07:33 AM

Is it safe? Heard that you can contract HEPATITIS from desiccated liver?

Eric3237 · 12-28-2006, 08:00 AM

Why worry? It's doubtfull you need it. Just take a mineral supp with iron and eat a good balanced diet and you'll be fine.

verbatimreturned · 12-28-2006, 08:59 AM

Desiccated Liver is so old school lol...I think you can get in from universal just make sure its processed correctly or else it will be horrible.

What exactly is the usage for Desiccated Liver? From what I know doesn't it help with food absorbtion?

Dr X · 12-28-2006, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by verbatimreturned

Desiccated Liver is so old school lol...I think you can get in from universal just make sure its processed correctly or else it will be horrible.

What exactly is the usage for Desiccated Liver? From what I know doesn't it help with food absorbtion?

Damm, they still have that stuff. I used to take it 20 years ago.

MBOFFICER · 12-29-2006, 05:32 AM

Havent worked out in ages... Just getting back into it. So, whats the current trend for supplements?

Eric3237 · 12-29-2006, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DR X

Damm, they still have that stuff. I used to take it 20 years ago

There's been a resurgence lately with some sup companies glomming on and coming up with all sorts of new magical properties.

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Originally Posted by MBOFFICER

So, whats the current trend for supplements?

That would be hard to pin down. I'd say the basic is simply a protein and creatine sup.

Nathan1 · 12-31-2006, 08:35 AM

Nothing magical about protein. Like X said, he used them 20 years ago...companies just haven't stopped producing them. I would only trust them more now. Dessicated liver tabs have one of the best AA line-ups available and are great sources of protein/B's/minerals/enzymes.

I only suggest Beverly International Ultra 40, but honestly, most people won't like them. They are larger than the average multivitamin and one would want to take at least 1 with each meal....

i purchased a bottle last year on clearance and used 3 caps per meal....gave me an extra 40+g protein per day and never had any digestive issues.

Definately easier to drink whey or eat egg whites. ;)

Eric3237 · 12-31-2006, 09:19 AM

Have you ever seen any independant information on dessicated liver other than what you get from supplement company?

However, to say that something has a lot of nutrients is one thing. To come close to if not outright comparing it to steroids (Beverly) and implying that it is the one thing standing in your way for great results is another. There are lots of foods packed with nutrients that are touted "superfoods".

To say that they have a lot of protein for weight is true. To imply that it is a surperior source based on the REAL information we have about protein and the amino acid needs of adults building muscles is hype. We don't even know the exact ratios of aminos or what the "perfect" protein is for this population. It's based on what infants need and that is a stretch at best. But given that most all of the common protein foods provide much more than enough of all the aminos including the essentials. To say that one protein source is superior to another, which is said about liver, is simply groundless. A little more of this or that just doesn't matter that much in the context of a high protein diet.

They also mention rna/dna and imply that this provides some other benefit. It's just protein. It will be broken down and assimilated as such and will not be delivered to the blood like some magic bullet to assist in proper protein utilization. Just more supplement nonsense.

Enzymes? Same thing. I saw it written up about the amazing discovery of enzyme P-450. Implying that dessicated liver was rich in this detoxification enzyme so eating it was the only way to detoxify stuff such as hormones in beef. At the end it said "it was tested on children and so it is confirmed." This is really close to what I like to call "lying". P-450 is an enzyme pigment which is a part of the detoxification pathway in the liver. OUR liver, cow's liver, whatever. It's even found in bacteria. The article makes it sound like some scientist was testing dessicated liver supplement in the lab. Discovered this miraculouse enzyme in it then gave it to children for some reason and "confirmed" it's effectiveness. LOL. Of course the guy was just studying the P-450 in the lab trying to learn about it. It's a BIG protein. You eat a big protein enzyme and it gets digested. Doesn't detoxify anything. End of story.

A treatment for liver disease? First of all, it is liver extracts like liver hydrosolate that has been used, not ground up liver. Liver is no-doubt helpful to treat anemia but I guatantee you that if someone had severe anemia the doctor would prescribe a strong iron supplement and associated nutritional support, not live tabs. But there has been no real benefit associated with liver extracts or any other type of liver in hepatitas. To say that something has been associated with treating an illness while touting a supplement does not mean it actually did anything. Of course there are no references given to support this statement. They are counting on people just reading it and assuming it’s validity.

I could go on and on. BUT I am not saying that as a simple nutritional supplement it wouldn’t be useful. I wouldn’t use it as a protein supplement because of it’s cost effectiveness. But it would be good for micronutrient support and you’d get some protein. But sup companies don’t say “here’s a good nutritional support supplement and here’s why”. Of course not. They use clever gimmicks to make it sound like it’s your ticket to bodybuilding success. These are the “magical” properties I was speaking of and what I warn against.

MBOFFICER · 12-31-2006, 09:58 AM

Well, I was just wondering if you can "CONTRACT" hepatitas from taking a desiccated liver supplement? Not treat it. As we all know the liver is a big spongy filter. Filtering out all blood impurities. Someone told me that because of this you can be at risk of contracting hepatitas if you take a liver supplement... Fact or Fiction?

Eric3237 · 12-31-2006, 10:35 AM

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Well, I was just wondering if you can "CONTRACT" hepatitas from taking a desiccated liver supplement? Not treat it.

Yes, I know. I was talking about claims made by a supplement company to tout this supplement. Sorry but sometimes threads take a side road. I don't know the answer to your question. As far as I know, Hepatitis A, the viral hepatitis can only be transmitted by blood to blood. And maybe, but I'm not sure, fecally. So I don't think you can get it through injesting liver. But I don't really know.

I too would be hestant to injest large amounts of what is essentially a big poison filter. Which was my original point. Supplements are the least important thing you do next to training and diet.

EDIT*
Here is an overview but I don't know how accurate it is. Don't think my info was quite correct (which I figured

).

http://www.ohsuhealth.com/htaz/liver...iral/index.cfm

12-28-2006, 07:33 AM	#1 (permalink)
MBOFFICER Rank: New Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 15 Gender:	Desiccated Liver??? Is it safe? Heard that you can contract HEPATITIS from desiccated liver?

12-28-2006, 08:00 AM	#2 (permalink)
Eric3237 Moderator Rank: Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,277 Country: Gender:	Why worry? It's doubtfull you need it. Just take a mineral supp with iron and eat a good balanced diet and you'll be fine.
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12-31-2006, 08:35 AM	#7 (permalink)
Nathan1 Rank: Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 50 Country: Gender:	Nothing magical about protein. Like X said, he used them 20 years ago...companies just haven't stopped producing them. I would only trust them more now. Dessicated liver tabs have one of the best AA line-ups available and are great sources of protein/B's/minerals/enzymes. I only suggest Beverly International Ultra 40, but honestly, most people won't like them. They are larger than the average multivitamin and one would want to take at least 1 with each meal.... i purchased a bottle last year on clearance and used 3 caps per meal....gave me an extra 40+g protein per day and never had any digestive issues. Definately easier to drink whey or eat egg whites. ;)
	Nathan1's Sig:ThermoLife Rep www.thermolife.com

12-31-2006, 09:19 AM	#8 (permalink)
Eric3237 Moderator Rank: Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,277 Country: Gender:	Have you ever seen any independant information on dessicated liver other than what you get from supplement company? However, to say that something has a lot of nutrients is one thing. To come close to if not outright comparing it to steroids (Beverly) and implying that it is the one thing standing in your way for great results is another. There are lots of foods packed with nutrients that are touted "superfoods". To say that they have a lot of protein for weight is true. To imply that it is a surperior source based on the REAL information we have about protein and the amino acid needs of adults building muscles is hype. We don't even know the exact ratios of aminos or what the "perfect" protein is for this population. It's based on what infants need and that is a stretch at best. But given that most all of the common protein foods provide much more than enough of all the aminos including the essentials. To say that one protein source is superior to another, which is said about liver, is simply groundless. A little more of this or that just doesn't matter that much in the context of a high protein diet. They also mention rna/dna and imply that this provides some other benefit. It's just protein. It will be broken down and assimilated as such and will not be delivered to the blood like some magic bullet to assist in proper protein utilization. Just more supplement nonsense. Enzymes? Same thing. I saw it written up about the amazing discovery of enzyme P-450. Implying that dessicated liver was rich in this detoxification enzyme so eating it was the only way to detoxify stuff such as hormones in beef. At the end it said "it was tested on children and so it is confirmed." This is really close to what I like to call "lying". P-450 is an enzyme pigment which is a part of the detoxification pathway in the liver. OUR liver, cow's liver, whatever. It's even found in bacteria. The article makes it sound like some scientist was testing dessicated liver supplement in the lab. Discovered this miraculouse enzyme in it then gave it to children for some reason and "confirmed" it's effectiveness. LOL. Of course the guy was just studying the P-450 in the lab trying to learn about it. It's a BIG protein. You eat a big protein enzyme and it gets digested. Doesn't detoxify anything. End of story. A treatment for liver disease? First of all, it is liver extracts like liver hydrosolate that has been used, not ground up liver. Liver is no-doubt helpful to treat anemia but I guatantee you that if someone had severe anemia the doctor would prescribe a strong iron supplement and associated nutritional support, not live tabs. But there has been no real benefit associated with liver extracts or any other type of liver in hepatitas. To say that something has been associated with treating an illness while touting a supplement does not mean it actually did anything. Of course there are no references given to support this statement. They are counting on people just reading it and assuming it’s validity. I could go on and on. BUT I am not saying that as a simple nutritional supplement it wouldn’t be useful. I wouldn’t use it as a protein supplement because of it’s cost effectiveness. But it would be good for micronutrient support and you’d get some protein. But sup companies don’t say “here’s a good nutritional support supplement and here’s why”. Of course not. They use clever gimmicks to make it sound like it’s your ticket to bodybuilding success. These are the “magical” properties I was speaking of and what I warn against. Last edited by Eric3237; 12-31-2006 at 11:57 AM.
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12-28-2006, 08:59 AM	#3 (permalink)
verbatimreturned Rank: Lightweight Experience: 2-3 Years Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: new york Posts: 1,376 Country: Gender:	Desiccated Liver is so old school lol...I think you can get in from universal just make sure its processed correctly or else it will be horrible. What exactly is the usage for Desiccated Liver? From what I know doesn't it help with food absorbtion?

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MBOFFICER Rank: New Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 15 Gender:	Havent worked out in ages... Just getting back into it. So, whats the current trend for supplements?

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MBOFFICER Rank: New Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 15 Gender:	Well, I was just wondering if you can "CONTRACT" hepatitas from taking a desiccated liver supplement? Not treat it. As we all know the liver is a big spongy filter. Filtering out all blood impurities. Someone told me that because of this you can be at risk of contracting hepatitas if you take a liver supplement... Fact or Fiction?

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