facts or fiction

[Predator]

This is a strange question that i'm interested in seeing who may believe its true, who believes its false and the whys. Here goes;
Back in the late 70s when I was still fighting full contact martial arts there was a method for treating bad bruises. My trainer had an oriental Balm that he would rub over, say a totally black and blue area on the shin (example) from an intense contact blow. When he allowed it to dry a bit he would then massage in DMSO. The next day the bruise was gone. I tried it without the DMSO and it was still bruised the next day. At the time you were able to go to the drug store and order it until it got banned. The story of the banning was that DMSO was a super transporter and applied over any other topical linament would send it deep into the muscle and mix into the bloodstream, hence poisoning. A lot of research was done on DMSO (which can still be gotten from a veternarian because it is used for horse linament) and it was deemed factual as a product that penetrates deep thru the skin and takes anything mixed with it along for the ride. Topical ointments aren't mean't to enter the blood stream in large quantity's and this is why it was banned. I know the balm the orientals used was all natural and really pretty pretty much as useless as Ben Gay when used alone and a lot wasn't used. But there are abusers of everything and when the abuse began, hence the ban.
I was thinking of what if something orally was dilluted, mixed with water, applied and then DMSO was put on after what the effects would be? Say Creatine for example was mixed with just enough water to be able to be rubbed on then DMSO. Put on the shoulders and arms then an hour later go in for an intesive workout. It really wouldn't matter about the deep penetration because Creatine is taken orally and transported thru the bloodstream. Would you have a more direct way of getting the creatine to the muscle topically?
Anyway I finally got my hands on a jar of DMSO and plan on trying it but I thought i'd run it by you guys for some discussion.
Al

[hrdgain81]

DMSO wont carry "anything" along with it through the skin. There is an upper bound limit as to the size of the molecule. You will need to check the molecular weight of the substance, if the molecule is too big, it will just sit on your skin and do nothing.

I would also reserve DMSO use for compounds that are not readily bio available orally. No point in wasting DMSO on creatine, when you can just take it orally and its effective.

As for using it with a balm/linament and bruising, that is the first I've heard of it, not really sure what would be in that balm that would dissipate blood collecting under the skin, none the less it would be interesting to find out.

[Predator]

Well at the time we were stopped from buying DMSO from the drug store, we were told the reason was its transporting capabilities and the possibility of carrying a substance into the blood stream with the DMSO made it dangerous. At that point we could no longer buy it.
There was no internet and we were all too busy to really go try to find out the truth about the stuff. Those Chinese instructors were always rubbing stuff on you, everyone had his own jar of stuff. But it did work and the DMSO made it work a lot faster.
Hrdgain, everything you said made sense about molecular size. But if it were dissolved in water then the DMSO would slowly absorb it in the skin. My point was why go through the entire body to get where you want to go. BUT I'm just telling you what we were told why it was stopped from being sold to anyone on the street. I never knew much about it, myself, I didn't even like it as a linament period. I was just curious as to this transporting thing. I read (or tried) a few articles on the stuff but really didn't understand what they mean't in the explanations. Maybe people just believed in this so much, they healed themselves with belief.

[Pitysister]

talked to a lady i work with who raises horses today...and she said she has had horses get infected using dmso...so she sticks with absorbine...so i bought some today

[hrdgain81]

I'm not sure what you mean by disolve it in water, I would think that would "water down" the dmso, and putting a molecule of say testosterone in water doesn't make the size of it shrink. Just food for thought.

I've never heard of this absorbine pity, can you tell us more?

[Pitysister]

i heard about it from andrew...it's like an icy hot for horses....but it actually does some good

[Predator]

Holy crap, if horses are getting infected, might be even more sensitive to people if they use it regularly.
I just figured if the creatine was dissolved like kool-aid it would be broken down enough to absorb......not right??????
Hey this is just something I was thinking of whether it would work or not. I'm in no way telling anybody about trying this cause I don't know....At least I found out the crap is poison and 'maybe' why they banned selling it.

[Pitysister]

it's still for sale here...saw some today. where was it banned?

[Ross86]

Originally Posted by Predator

I just figured if the creatine was dissolved like kool-aid it would be broken down enough to absorb......not right??????

If it breaks down or dissolves, then it will be useless Like hrdgain said, you can't change the size of the molecule.