Newbie, so be patient...

[Littleguy]

Hey, 37 year old male getting back into body building.

Just bought some Creatine Ethyl Ester and Arginine Ethyl Ester and will be adding some Whey Protein. Then, on to the iron! Sound like a good start?

I've been out of it for a while so any/all advice will be gladly accepted. Any tips on when to take these suppliments or any training advice for an old BB getting back into the swing of things? I seem to lose energy fast during the workouts now. I'm good for an hour and then things start to taper off... Any idea if HGH would be a good addition?

Thanks in advance!

[hrdgain81]

those supps look good, I would add in some dextrose/maltodextrin to your post workout whey shake.

If you feel as though your stamina isnt great durring your workouts, look at adding some Citruline Malate to your pre workout nutrition, as well as sip on some carbs durring.

I think HGH would be awesome if you can get your doctor to give you a script for it. Or if you want to give it a go, www.universalkits.com sells a transdermal gel that is a GH precursor called pght. Other then that, anything on the market that claims to be HGH (especially anything oral) is a load of crap.

[Littleguy]

Wow! Thanks for the advice. Nothing like coming to a Body Building forum as a newb and NOT getting flamed for my post.

I've been reading a lot of threads on this forum and I have to say, BB has changed since I first started years ago. Most guys would throw out the "newb" word and add "lame", "sissy", and "shut the F$%^& up and start lifting queer!" to the reply.

Thanks a bunch. Sounds like a great bunch on here!

What does the dextrose/maltodextrin do in conjunction with the Whey?

Any advice on when to take these suppliments? How much I actually need of each? etc..

[ChinPieceDave667]

Welcome, glad to see you get back on the horse. How long do you workout? If it's more than 1.5 hours of actual working out, not counting social breaks, then I would revamp your workouts. Some would even say 1.5 hours is long. Most of the time I'm at the gym workingout for an hour and some change.

[ChinPieceDave667]

Originally Posted by Littleguy

Wow! Thanks for the advice. Nothing like coming to a Body Building forum as a newb and NOT getting flamed for my post.

I've been reading a lot of threads on this forum and I have to say, BB has changed since I first started years ago. Most guys would throw out the "newb" word and add "lame", "sissy", and "shut the F$%^& up and start lifting queer!" to the reply.

Sorry to hear that. That truly does suck.

The answer to most of your beginning questions can be answered by the stickys that are in the forum. Read those first, it is a lot, and then you will be able to ask the questions that will really help you.

[Littleguy]

That sounds about right. I workout for about an hour and some change too. But my last few sets suffer due to lack of energy. Sometimes I throw a few extra sets I felt I didn't really finish into the next workout at the beginning to "make up for" the lack of intensity I felt the last workout...does that make any sense?

I try to work out at least 3 times a week. Usually like:

Monday - Back/Bis
Wednesday - Chest/Tris/Shoulder
Friday - Legs

I used to be pretty big, but with a little muscle memory and old workout habits, I'm gaining back pretty quickly. I'm not looking to grow to contest size, just a good solid block to build and maintain once I reach my goals.

Of course, I'm a little older, lazier, and I've got a family and life to deal with now. Thanks for the words of encouragement.

[Eric3237]

If you post your exact workout then I can tell you how much it sucks and what you should do instead...

just kidding. Honestly, besides echoing what the others have said I Would encourage you to think about a simple fullbody for now or maybe and upper lower split. but whatever you are doing, I think at this point just getting back into it every workout should pretty much result in some progression past the last workout, at least for a while. If you're not keeping a logbook you need to do that.

But being someone who's stopped and then returned to it later and from what I've seen one mistake people make is starting out too heavy, maybe too close to maximal loads. While you may be very strong your bodies ability to recover is not what it once was. I.E. you call yourself a newbie but you did do it before, so maybe deep down inside you don't want to feel like a newbie.

For instance, you mentioned the word "intensity". Whatever your definition, the first word you should be worried about is "progression" or simply progress. Progress is how you ARRIVE at intensity. You may simply need to scale back the weights and or volume and give your body a chance to adapt. At this point you should probably making progress on a workout to workout basis. But whether it's weekly progress or it's monthly progress that is the key and you have to figure out how to do that. Because adding in a bunch of extra sets on THIS workout, only to fall back or regress on the NEXT workout, is going to become wheel spinning.

It seems like every day I read someone saying they don't have enough energy to finish their workouts. Usually they are looking for a supplement (which can be useful) but lack of energy could also mean the presense of FATIGUE. It seems to never occur to anyone . (I'm not saying you have to be fully recovered to workout or any of that nonsense, btw).

Course many times these problems are behavioural, so if you're not getting proper diet and rest, then all bets are off.

Sorry for the long post .

[TALO]

Originally Posted by hrdgain81

I think HGH would be awesome if you can get your doctor to give you a script for it. Or if you want to give it a go, www.universalkits.com sells a transdermal gel that is a GH precursor called pght. Other then that, anything on the market that claims to be HGH (especially anything oral) is a load of crap.

Have you ever ordered from these guys ?
Is this pght a good product ?
How does it compare to HGH ?

Thanks

[Scorcher2005]

Originally Posted by Littleguy

What does the dextrose/maltodextrin do in conjunction with the Whey?

Any advice on when to take these suppliments? How much I actually need of each? etc..

dextrose/maltodextrin are forms of carbs. You need carbs before and after workouts. Carbs before hand give you energy to fuel your workouts. Carbs after work to spike your insulin which drive protein, aminos, etc... into your muscles. Most suggest around 20-40g before the workout and 50-100g after.

And you say you feel exhasuted towards the end of your workouts. Are you taking in carbs before the workout? If not, start there. If you still feel fatigued, sip on some carbs such as a gatorade throughout the workout.

Have you read the stickies? Read those as this is covered in them, namely the "How to Bulk" and "Pre/Post Workout Nutrition" ones.

[Scorcher2005]

Originally Posted by TALO

Have you ever ordered from these guys ?
Is this pght a good product ?
How does it compare to HGH ?

Thanks

Interested as well...