PCT anyways..

[The IronBull]

When did an AI start to increase muscle mass?
Why arent BBs using an AI for muscle mass?

Do you know what happens when you take an AI?

At first it will increase test levels...maybe a week ot 2 the most.
But then your negivate feedback loop will kick in and shutdown your HTPA and surpress the making of test.

The same thing happens when taking steroids, the difference is you adding test and have control on how long you want your test levels to remain high.

[hrdgain81]

When did an AI start to increase muscle mass?

I dont think anyone stated that AI's increase muscle mass. What i did say is that over the counter AI's like ATD (found in many products including novedex) are used to block estrogen receptor cites, thus creating a negative feedback loop which increases overall test. Now unless your abusing the stuff, I dont see how mild estrogen suppression will shut down HTPA, maybe you can explain that to me.

Why arent BBs using an AI for muscle mass?

couldnt tell you, I'm not a bodybuilder. And I dont really care much about mass.

[Iron]

Basically what I'm saying is that these products are worthless and a waste of money. I don't say that in a mean sense and it shouldn't offend anyone. I challenge anyone to show me a study, some research or something that proves any of these products or their ingredients work, that's all. The product write-ups make all kinds of scientific sounding claims but give no studies, research, etc.

Here's a repost of something I put up on another thread here showing my point. I know it sounds harsh guys, but it's all lies, plain and simple---


Viraloid is one of the substances mentioned thet I looked into. Notice the name? It's no mistake that the "vira" part sounds like "virility." and "oid" of course sounds like "steroid."

The advertising write-up on it (http://www.supplements101.com/Viralo...yoviraloid.htm) states that "Viraloid is unique in that it actually increases in effectiveness the longer you take it." Now there's not a substance in the world that increases in effectiveness the longer you take it. Come on guys everyone knows that with every drug you take the body develops a tolerance for it requiring more and more of it. Does receptor downloading ring a bell?? Why then does this stuff keep gaining in strength the more you take? Could it be that the more you take, the more you buy and the richer the product company gets?? Can everyone see this?

Oh yeah, I almost forgot this advertising quote, "using Viraloid as a year round foundation." I bet that makes the stock holders smile! Use it all year round guys, it only keeps getting stronger.!! Of course they also state that it makes test levels "skyrocket" but doesn't "shut you down." If that's the case it's the only substance known to man that doesn't. It's the perfect supplement!

More B.S.- "increasing androgen receptor sensitivity", "Opens testosterone receptor sites", and of course, "There are no negative side effects associated with the use of Viraloid." and safe for women too! Boy they don't miss anyone. Once again no substance known can do those things.

And of course no science is offered, no studies to back any of these claims. The only explanation offered is, "Viraloid is a potent blend of steroidal alkaloids called “diosegins” derived from high sterol-containing plants. Let's break that down shall we? Well the strict definition of steroid is simply a large group of fat-soluble organic compounds. An alkaloid is any of a large class of naturally occurring, complex organic compounds that contain nitrogen and are common in plants. A diosegin is a steroid (fat soluble organic compound), and sapogenin (any of a class of organic compounds occurring in many species of plants as derivatives of the steroid) is found in wild yams.

Of course none of that means anything and has absolutely nothing to do with explaining why this product does what they say it does. You can get the same effect eating sweet potatoes!

Somebody please show me why they believe this stuff???