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v6z24 · 11-06-2007, 02:52 PM

thanc for the help. what exactly does dextrose AND malto do, and is it something i get from food, or what are some good names of suppliments containing it.
i forgot to list before what i was already taking
-whey protien, usually just post workout
-no-explode prework out
-omega 3 fish oil
-multi vitamin
-i eat as much as i can, trying to keep it clean (chicken, chicken salad, tuna, cottage cheese, salads, eggs, turkey) but i do cheat.
thanx for the help.

Pitysister · 11-06-2007, 03:29 PM

it's a supplement...i got mine from www.trueprotein.com just search under their products tab...and hit carbohydrates...

Ross86 · 11-06-2007, 04:00 PM

I think maltodextrin is in some foods. It is a filler in all of your NO supplements...the powders, anyway. It's a complex carb. Dextrose is corn sugar...it's a simple carb and is therefore more quickly digested. The purpose of taking them is to prolong/intensify your workout. They are used to replenish/fuel your glycogen stores which are your chief source of energy.

Someone let me know if all of that is correct.

EricT · 11-06-2007, 04:23 PM

The idea of complex and simple carbs as it used to be known has changed now. Maltodextrin is really a simple carb in terms of how quickly it is absorbed. It has a very high GI...don't be fooled into thinking it is "complex" in the way that oatmeal or something like that is. We no longer look at carbs as simply how long a chain is or how much it branches. Remember, potato starch is a "complex carb" but it has a very high GI...one of the highest. Similar with malto.

Dex and malto are both derived from corn.

The reason for taking both dextrose and malto is complictated. Mostly it allows for better and quicker absoprtion of carbs. Anytime you have a mix of carbs like simple ones and glucose polymers such as malto you get better uptake in the gut since there are only so many transportors. Plus you get better gastric emptying due to the increased osmolarity (provided a proper dilution) and less bloating, discomfort, etc.

These are both HIGH GI carbs. People really need to avoid calling maltodextrin "complex" (even though manufacturers like to label it that) because it will confuse people into thinking it is like a low or medium GI carb, which it IS NOT.

Darkhorse · 11-06-2007, 04:36 PM

Nice writeup Eric.. I never paid much attention to carbs except postworkout aside from bananas and oatmeal preworkout!

Ross86 · 11-06-2007, 05:10 PM

I think you've written that several times now, but it just clicked for me. I was confused about malto until I just read that.

Thanks Eric

EricT · 11-06-2007, 05:13 PM

Yeah, I've probably written that explanation a dozen times!

v6z24 · 11-06-2007, 05:46 PM

thanx for all the info guys, i think im gana try this out
http://www.trueprotein.com/Product_D...id=23&pid=6784
its got the caffiene that i like in my no-explode, with the 2 carbs that you've said are good for pre-workout, and some creatiene. opinions on this product are welcome before i buy it, and if anyones taken it or something, let me know how it went.

Darkhorse · 11-06-2007, 07:29 PM

Any mix like that coming from TP will serve you well..

hrdgain81 · 11-07-2007, 11:28 AM

Good info for everyone in here, and Ross you are dead on with the use of malto/dex in terms of energy and glycogen stores. Of course all this becomes debatable when you start trying to drop bodyfat, but thats a discussion for another thread.

11-06-2007, 03:29 PM	#12 (permalink)
Pitysister Rank: Middleweight Experience: 1-2 Years Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Midwest Posts: 2,579 Country: Gender:	it's a supplement...i got mine from www.trueprotein.com just search under their products tab...and hit carbohydrates...
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11-06-2007, 04:23 PM	#14 (permalink)
EricT Moderator Rank: Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,892 Country: Gender:	The idea of complex and simple carbs as it used to be known has changed now. Maltodextrin is really a simple carb in terms of how quickly it is absorbed. It has a very high GI...don't be fooled into thinking it is "complex" in the way that oatmeal or something like that is. We no longer look at carbs as simply how long a chain is or how much it branches. Remember, potato starch is a "complex carb" but it has a very high GI...one of the highest. Similar with malto. Dex and malto are both derived from corn. The reason for taking both dextrose and malto is complictated. Mostly it allows for better and quicker absoprtion of carbs. Anytime you have a mix of carbs like simple ones and glucose polymers such as malto you get better uptake in the gut since there are only so many transportors. Plus you get better gastric emptying due to the increased osmolarity (provided a proper dilution) and less bloating, discomfort, etc. These are both HIGH GI carbs. People really need to avoid calling maltodextrin "complex" (even though manufacturers like to label it that) because it will confuse people into thinking it is like a low or medium GI carb, which it IS NOT.
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11-06-2007, 04:36 PM	#15 (permalink)
Darkhorse Moderator Rank: Light Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: CA Posts: 4,120 Country: Gender:	Nice writeup Eric.. I never paid much attention to carbs except postworkout aside from bananas and oatmeal preworkout!
	Darkhorse's Sig:My Training Philosophy how big would you be if ALL you did was: Squat 400 x 20 Deadlift 500 x 5 Bench 315 x 5, or dip with 100 lbs added. Chin with 75 lbs strapped to your waist x 5 Miltary Press 225 x 8 Pretty ****ing big is my guess. Without any "rear delt work". IA

11-06-2007, 05:13 PM	#17 (permalink)
EricT Moderator Rank: Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,892 Country: Gender:	Yeah, I've probably written that explanation a dozen times!
	EricT's Sig:I'm tired of the myth that bb'rs aren't flexible. As a group, they are extremely flexible. They have an amazing ability to bend over, place their heads between their legs, and blow smoke up their own asses. Books and Resources

11-06-2007, 07:29 PM	#19 (permalink)
Darkhorse Moderator Rank: Light Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: CA Posts: 4,120 Country: Gender:	Any mix like that coming from TP will serve you well..
	Darkhorse's Sig:My Training Philosophy how big would you be if ALL you did was: Squat 400 x 20 Deadlift 500 x 5 Bench 315 x 5, or dip with 100 lbs added. Chin with 75 lbs strapped to your waist x 5 Miltary Press 225 x 8 Pretty ****ing big is my guess. Without any "rear delt work". IA

11-06-2007, 02:52 PM	#11 (permalink)
v6z24 Rank: New Member Experience: 1-2 Years Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 11 Country: Gender:	thanc for the help. what exactly does dextrose AND malto do, and is it something i get from food, or what are some good names of suppliments containing it. i forgot to list before what i was already taking -whey protien, usually just post workout -no-explode prework out -omega 3 fish oil -multi vitamin -i eat as much as i can, trying to keep it clean (chicken, chicken salad, tuna, cottage cheese, salads, eggs, turkey) but i do cheat. thanx for the help.

11-06-2007, 04:00 PM	#13 (permalink)
Ross86 Rank: Middleweight Experience: > 1 Year Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NC Posts: 2,311 Country: Gender:	I think maltodextrin is in some foods. It is a filler in all of your NO supplements...the powders, anyway. It's a complex carb. Dextrose is corn sugar...it's a simple carb and is therefore more quickly digested. The purpose of taking them is to prolong/intensify your workout. They are used to replenish/fuel your glycogen stores which are your chief source of energy. Someone let me know if all of that is correct.

11-06-2007, 05:10 PM	#16 (permalink)
Ross86 Rank: Middleweight Experience: > 1 Year Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NC Posts: 2,311 Country: Gender:	I think you've written that several times now, but it just clicked for me. I was confused about malto until I just read that. Thanks Eric

11-06-2007, 05:46 PM	#18 (permalink)
v6z24 Rank: New Member Experience: 1-2 Years Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 11 Country: Gender:	thanx for all the info guys, i think im gana try this out http://www.trueprotein.com/Product_D...id=23&pid=6784 its got the caffiene that i like in my no-explode, with the 2 carbs that you've said are good for pre-workout, and some creatiene. opinions on this product are welcome before i buy it, and if anyones taken it or something, let me know how it went.

11-07-2007, 11:28 AM	#20 (permalink)
hrdgain81 Rank: Light Heavyweight Experience: 5-7 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,660	Good info for everyone in here, and Ross you are dead on with the use of malto/dex in terms of energy and glycogen stores. Of course all this becomes debatable when you start trying to drop bodyfat, but thats a discussion for another thread.
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