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john917v · 06-04-2008, 01:38 PM

Hi, everyone. I have a few questions. For PRWO (copyright pending

), which is about 1 hr before WOs, I take a scoop of PP with water, and a moderately-sized meal, which is usually some lean meat, with rice, or a protein shake heavy with oats and some fruit. For PWO, I have a 'stack' (that's what a mix of supps. is, right?) that is comprised of a scoop of PP, 1/2 a scoop of creatine, a packet of malto/electrolytes, two tsps of BCAAs, and 2 tsps of Simiflex, a powder from Mexico, that is a huge hit w/ the BBers/strength athletes over there. The Simiflex has Vit. C, glucosamine/MSM, Omega 3s, and manganese. Does this seem adequate/timed properly? I am open to suggestions. BTW, I weigh 250 lbs., and in terms of musculature, I am getting denser.

Ross86 · 06-04-2008, 06:56 PM

I always do 2 scoops of whey in my pwo shake. And personally, I would move the BCAAs to PRWO© if I was going to take them at all. I think they aren't worth the money. I have over two lbs sitting in a tub collecting dust in the corner of my kitchen (along with about 20 other containers of supps that are doing the same thing). How much creatine is in 1/2 of a scoop? I assume when you say rice that it's brown rice, right? How many grams of malodextrin are in a packet?

TALO · 06-04-2008, 07:37 PM

Hey Ross , you should send me some of those supplements to make room on your shelf.

Ross86 · 06-04-2008, 07:45 PM

Haha I would if you would pay in American $ instead of Canadian...what is the currency in Canada? Beer? Hockey pucks?

TALO · 06-04-2008, 07:57 PM

Oil I think.

Ross86 · 06-04-2008, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TALO

Oil I think.

I can't disagree.

john917v · 06-05-2008, 09:11 AM

1. I'll try them PRWO, then. I got the BCAAs for like $3, compared to the regular $23, so I figured Y not? A lot of people, including med. students, and health specialists have told me to consume lots of aminos. Do the BCAAs in a jar not give a lot of bang for the $?

2. The scoop is about 30g, protein scoop, and I take half of one of those.

3. I have heard several times that brown rice is better, especially for athletes. I try to make brown rice, but sometimes I'll have white. I compared the nutritional values, but I couldn't find anything different. Does the brown have a special substance?

4. As far as the malto, I get it from these electrolyte pouches that have .08 oz. Malto is listed as the second ingredient, so it's the second-most abundant substance in the packet.

Ross86 · 06-05-2008, 12:16 PM

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Do the BCAAs in a jar not give a lot of bang for the $?

No, they don't. Whey is cheaper per serving. Whey is also naturally rich in BCAAs. You get more BCAAs in a single scoop of whey than two standard servings of BCAAs.

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A lot of people, including med. students, and health specialists have told me to consume lots of aminos.

That's what your protein is for.

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I compared the nutritional values, but I couldn't find anything different. Does the brown have a special substance?

Wow. Don't know where you read that... Read this: http://www.drlam.com/opinion/brown_r...white_rice.cfm

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Malto is listed as the second ingredient, so it's the second-most abundant substance in the packet.

I do about 40g of high GI carbs PWO. Different people need different amounts, but I'm thinking you might be a bit shy. .8oz is 27gr and if it's not even the main ingredient, I think you're not getting as much as you might need.

hrdgain81 · 06-06-2008, 08:58 AM

I gotta chime in here, I see a lot of BCAA bashing, and to be honest, I love BCAA's. IMO the more the better, I'm taking in 42g a day now and I am loving it. they make me less hungry throughout the day, and help with recovery a great deal.

I know that whey also has a lot of bcaa's, but there is a big difference, atleast for me. If I take in 25g of whey upon waking, 15 min later i'm on the crapper. 21g of bcaa's on the other hand, and I'm on the train on my way to work with no GI issues at all.

to each his/her own but Bcaa's are a staple in my diet.

Now on to john's original question about PRWO (shake?) meal thing. Personally I am not a fan of meals 1hr before a workout, I get too full and I am not comfortable while lifting. I eat usually 2hrs before hand, then slam a shake 30-45min before i hit the wieghts that consists of 25g whey, 40g malto/dex.

I would caution you about using oats in this shake, if you put oats and malto/dex in a shake, the carbs will mix in your stomach, and the GI rating will be some median there of. You want fast acting carbs in your pre workout shake.

TALO · 06-06-2008, 04:21 PM

I love'em also.

PWO is 42g of whey with 20g BCAA's - plus my carbs

06-04-2008, 01:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
john917v Rank: Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 466	Supp questions Hi, everyone. I have a few questions. For PRWO (copyright pending), which is about 1 hr before WOs, I take a scoop of PP with water, and a moderately-sized meal, which is usually some lean meat, with rice, or a protein shake heavy with oats and some fruit. For PWO, I have a 'stack' (that's what a mix of supps. is, right?) that is comprised of a scoop of PP, 1/2 a scoop of creatine, a packet of malto/electrolytes, two tsps of BCAAs, and 2 tsps of Simiflex, a powder from Mexico, that is a huge hit w/ the BBers/strength athletes over there. The Simiflex has Vit. C, glucosamine/MSM, Omega 3s, and manganese. Does this seem adequate/timed properly? I am open to suggestions. BTW, I weigh 250 lbs., and in terms of musculature, I am getting denser.
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06-04-2008, 06:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
Ross86 Rank: Lightweight Experience: > 1 Year Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NC Posts: 1,947 Country: Gender:	I always do 2 scoops of whey in my pwo shake. And personally, I would move the BCAAs to PRWO© if I was going to take them at all. I think they aren't worth the money. I have over two lbs sitting in a tub collecting dust in the corner of my kitchen (along with about 20 other containers of supps that are doing the same thing). How much creatine is in 1/2 of a scoop? I assume when you say rice that it's brown rice, right? How many grams of malodextrin are in a packet?
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06-04-2008, 07:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
TALO Rank: Lightweight Experience: 5-7 Years Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Alberta , Canada Posts: 1,939 Country: Gender:	Hey Ross , you should send me some of those supplements to make room on your shelf.
	TALO's Sig:"But when do you actually grow? Well, we don't grow in the gym. In the gym, we destroy. We tear down the body. We only grow when we are recovering. That's right, I said recovery. I see it all the time--people beating themselves up in the gym and not seeing results. They don't understand that hitting the weights hard is only a small part of growing or even cutting down. I could train the same all year round and get big or get ripped just by eating different and taking different supplements"

06-04-2008, 07:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
Ross86 Rank: Lightweight Experience: > 1 Year Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NC Posts: 1,947 Country: Gender:	Haha I would if you would pay in American $ instead of Canadian...what is the currency in Canada? Beer? Hockey pucks?
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06-04-2008, 07:57 PM	#5 (permalink)
TALO Rank: Lightweight Experience: 5-7 Years Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Alberta , Canada Posts: 1,939 Country: Gender:	Oil I think.
	TALO's Sig:"But when do you actually grow? Well, we don't grow in the gym. In the gym, we destroy. We tear down the body. We only grow when we are recovering. That's right, I said recovery. I see it all the time--people beating themselves up in the gym and not seeing results. They don't understand that hitting the weights hard is only a small part of growing or even cutting down. I could train the same all year round and get big or get ripped just by eating different and taking different supplements"

06-05-2008, 09:11 AM	#7 (permalink)
john917v Rank: Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 466	1. I'll try them PRWO, then. I got the BCAAs for like $3, compared to the regular $23, so I figured Y not? A lot of people, including med. students, and health specialists have told me to consume lots of aminos. Do the BCAAs in a jar not give a lot of bang for the $? 2. The scoop is about 30g, protein scoop, and I take half of one of those. 3. I have heard several times that brown rice is better, especially for athletes. I try to make brown rice, but sometimes I'll have white. I compared the nutritional values, but I couldn't find anything different. Does the brown have a special substance? 4. As far as the malto, I get it from these electrolyte pouches that have .08 oz. Malto is listed as the second ingredient, so it's the second-most abundant substance in the packet.
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06-06-2008, 08:58 AM	#9 (permalink)
hrdgain81 Rank: Light Heavyweight Experience: 5-7 Years Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,564	I gotta chime in here, I see a lot of BCAA bashing, and to be honest, I love BCAA's. IMO the more the better, I'm taking in 42g a day now and I am loving it. they make me less hungry throughout the day, and help with recovery a great deal. I know that whey also has a lot of bcaa's, but there is a big difference, atleast for me. If I take in 25g of whey upon waking, 15 min later i'm on the crapper. 21g of bcaa's on the other hand, and I'm on the train on my way to work with no GI issues at all. to each his/her own but Bcaa's are a staple in my diet. Now on to john's original question about PRWO (shake?) meal thing. Personally I am not a fan of meals 1hr before a workout, I get too full and I am not comfortable while lifting. I eat usually 2hrs before hand, then slam a shake 30-45min before i hit the wieghts that consists of 25g whey, 40g malto/dex. I would caution you about using oats in this shake, if you put oats and malto/dex in a shake, the carbs will mix in your stomach, and the GI rating will be some median there of. You want fast acting carbs in your pre workout shake.
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06-06-2008, 04:21 PM	#10 (permalink)
TALO Rank: Lightweight Experience: 5-7 Years Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Alberta , Canada Posts: 1,939 Country: Gender:	I love'em also. PWO is 42g of whey with 20g BCAA's - plus my carbs
	TALO's Sig:"But when do you actually grow? Well, we don't grow in the gym. In the gym, we destroy. We tear down the body. We only grow when we are recovering. That's right, I said recovery. I see it all the time--people beating themselves up in the gym and not seeing results. They don't understand that hitting the weights hard is only a small part of growing or even cutting down. I could train the same all year round and get big or get ripped just by eating different and taking different supplements"

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