Darkhorse

Everything's pretty much the same. Same ingredients lol. The only REAL difference that I can see is the convenience of the Vitargo powder NOT sticking to my hands, table and clothes like the other brand does...Resulting in lost product. As long as you mix Vitargo with warm water you'll be ok. But, the other brand does in fact mix well whether it's ice cold or warm water. That's pretty much it.

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Well that was the kind of thing I was thinking of . As far as same ingredients...different sources and whatnot could yield a slightly different product although there's no way you're going to notice a difference I should think.

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This is the number one point that should be made! It all boils down to whether or not it IS worth the extra money for people who currently use malto/dextrose postworkout.

In my experience using what I have used for 7 years -> 50 grams malto, 50 grams dextrose, I have always felt pretty bloated. Best description I can use is feeling uncomfortably full. There have been times to where it hindered my ability to drink my OTHER shake of 50-75 grams of protein. I've actually had the easiest time drinking the dextrose in the form of grape juice, then added a scoop (50 grams) maltodextrin. It takes me a lot longer to rebound recovery after ingestion. IMO, it may be the protein possibly slowing absorbtion? It is possible since gastric emptying is slower using dextrose/malto than wms.

Now, here's a quick comparison via my supplement store by my house.

Pure Vitargo: $49 for 25 servings (72 grams)
- If working out three times a week, lasts 8 weeks..
- If working out four days a week, lasts 6 weeks..

TP Dextrose: $6.75 for 24 servings (50 grams)
TP Maltodextrin: $6.75 for 24 servings (50 grams)
$13.50 + $5 shipping = $18.50

So basically you're looking at an additional $30 for the same amount of servings. That IS a lot of money. If you don't have anything extra laying around, the dextrose/malto DOES work well. In my opinion, I stand by what I put in my review that the WMS is definately a better option IF you can afford it.

- IME (in my experience) Enhances absorbtion of other supplements such as CEE or creatine mono
- IME Very quick turnaround. Usually after I'm done lifting I literally fall half dead on my couch. I can chug down my shake and feel "rebounded" within 10-15 minutes.
- IME Zero bloat..Same as CEE compared to monohydrate.
- IME Does not make me feel uncomfortably full. I drink a TON of water with my WMS postworkout. After I waited about 15 minutes, I have always been completely comfortable slamming down my 75 grams protein in another big shake with plenty of water.

I have also tried it first thing in the morning on an empty stomach just to see what effects it would have...I think I've said this before in my second post, the one where I had an obstacle course to run. I felt like I just downed a big cup of coffee..Almost like I was going into hypo .. I don't feel like this when I tried the same thing using 100 grams (50/50). So to each his own. I can only say that I'm sure as shit that many pro's DO take costly supplements like this since they get sponsored anyways..Doesn't hurt their wallets I'm sure!

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Great info., 0311. I think you've definitely given just what people need to be able to decide whether it's for them. Keep in mind that (I think) the Now brand of malto and dex is even cheaper.

Now I would think that if I don't have anything to do after a workout; if I know I can just relax, then my traditional 50/50 malto/dex would seem to be just fine. IF I ignore the pontential for better and quicker shuttling of post workout whatevers, which there definitely seems a potential for.

If I need to be on the move after a workout then it would seem WMS has the advantage. However there is one big point that can really tip the bill and that is the potential for being able to eat sooner after your post workout shake. I know for myself after downing a fairly large volume in my pwo I as you said am somewhat bloated (although it sounds worse for you) and also I am waiting to make sure that as much of my post as possible is absorbed so as not to put a wrench in the works by dumping in solid food.

Like you said dex/malto works. It does the job. But at the same time I've never taken those and felt like "wow, this is great. I'm so refreshed, etc." which is what I'm hearing from the reviewers about Vitargo. All in all, if I had the extra coin I'd buy this. As you know I am very conservative (and merciless) when it comes to sups but I'm convinced. This sounds like great stuff.

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Right. TP's brand of each is $2.25 per pound, so I added 3 lbs of each would equal 24 servings at 50 grams increments.

I also have tried both NOW's brand of maltodextrin AND True Protein's. I can say without a doubt that TP's blows Now's out of the water. NOW does not mix very well, and has a grainier texture whereas TP's looks and feels exactly like dextrose. Mixes wonderfully.

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I've just read a post from Dante on Vitargo using Barley starch?

Not sure what the difference is, but they both feel about the same.

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Eric3237

I've never considered differences in malto. I'm at home so I just use a blender for post workout. When I use a shaker the now malto clumps up fierce so it takes a lot of shaking. The colder the liquid the worse the clumping.

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Yeah. The barley is cheaper I think. I have read one individual saying "waxy maize is superior" but I don't know what that was based on or whether they could back it up. It's high amylopectin (vs. amylose). That's what's important. So I would think the only difference could be the relative amount of amylopectin to amylose in the two starches. People could make other chemical structure arguments I suppose but I doubt there's any way THAT would make a difference.

If they feel the same they feel the same. The only consideration is that Vitargo could be using something cheaper then charging you more for it. That puts things in favor of TP to me. BUT I don't know that the barley is cheaper, it's just what I heard.

But is guess I should have asked: What's the final verdict on Vitargo high amylocpectin starch vs. other high amylopectin starch....nah!

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I thought they were all the same too. When I got TP's in the mail, I thought they got the order wrong and gave me dextrose instead. But, the malto was in fact malto..Thicker consistancy.

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