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Old 02-18-2008, 11:22 AM   #1
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I would like to supplement androsterone into my diet. Current taking NO-2, creatine mono, CLA & WHEY protein. Has anyone seen good results with the androsterone? The side effects claim to be low with this as opposed to real andro. Are there any other supplements I would need to take along with this such as milk thistle?

Also, diet is strict.

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Old 02-18-2008, 03:24 PM   #2
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Uh....I wouldn't really say you could just "supplement" it into your diet. You would get FLAMED for posting something so uninformed on any other board. It's supposed to be hormonal. I think it would be best to run a PCT + cycle support + other stuff...........

What are your stats? Do a little more research and then ask more questions....I just googled "androsterone" and found lots of info.

EDIT: Sounds pretty shitty and weak though.
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Old 02-19-2008, 07:58 AM   #3
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Androsterone is another word for ADT, its a steroidal aromatise inhibitor. It works by blocking the production of estrogen, and thus creating more test through a negative feed back loop. I've used it on several occations (mostly durring pct) and it is not a perticularly strong test booster, but it does destroy estrogen so you need to be careful using it. If estrogen goes too low, you wont gain strength or mass, and it can cause joint issues relative to low est.

I would look into something like Activate if you want a natty test booster, but without seeing your stats its impossible to give good advice. Also, why are you taking CLA, it does virtually nothing for you.

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Old 02-19-2008, 10:29 AM   #4
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Thanks in advance for replys guys. I'm 6'2'' 185-190 fluctuating lbs. I was taking the CLA to burn fat (mainly for core detail). I read in mens fitness it's in the top 3 for best fat burners. I eat clean. Protein shake for breakfast + one after workout. I drink about 1 gallon of water per day for the creatine (mono - taken 45 mins before workout) which is in pill form....thinking about switching to powder. I'm simply not seeing the gains I want. I'm not gaining any weight even though i take the creatine. I'm staying nice and defined (not cut up) and not gaining mass. I don't think I have the $$ or the connections to start cycling any kind of illegal stuff so that's why I was looking towards the androsterone. I'd done research on it but i always get more from blogs such as this one. My ultimate goal is to be around 197 lbs and be pretty bulked up. You mentioned PCT + cycle support + other stuff.....what would be the cycle support and other stuff?? I would like to be taken seriously and please forgive any ignorance in the supplement world but lifting has become a liftstyle for me now and its turned my life around. I'm just stuck, not getting any bigger or smaller and would like any help to get myself to the next level safely.

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Old 02-19-2008, 12:03 PM   #5
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I would drop the cla when your done with whatever you have bought. I've read through a lot of research on it, and while it has amazing effects in rat studies, I have yet to see very positive studies in humans. That and the doses required to see results are insane, upwards of 8g a day from what I've read.

PCT = post cycle therapy, its basically drugs you take after a steroid cycle to bring your bodys test/estro balance back into sync. The other stuff mentioned was supps used to combat side effects of steroids. (I can go into more detail if you like, or read through some of the stickies)

My advice would be to take a week, and write down everything you eat, and at what times. Post that up here and lets have a look, I would be willing to bet your not taking in enough cals to grow, and thats why you are stalling out.
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I'd like for you to go into as much detail as possible. Everytime I ask about anything related to test boosters or steroids people are ignorant as if they were never new to it at one point in their life. I knew what PCT meant. Are drugs like Superdrol and anabolic extreme different types of PCT??? Or is Superdrol and anabolic extreme steroids themselves? If i'm understanding you correctly you do a cycle of steroids (still unsure as to which ones are steroids - is androsterone a steroid?) and while doing that cycle you are taking other things (still unsure which other things) to counter the side effects and then once the cycle is over you take more stuff for the post cycle....do you continue to take the stuff you took during the cycle to counter the side effects after the cycle is over??? Any/all advice you can give is greatly appreciated....here's basically my weekly meal routine (it doesn't ever change much)

M-F - Protein shake in the morning (26 grams - one scoop)
Mid morning TLC bar (5 gs protein) or wheat crackers
Lunch - paste and vegs, turkey or hamburger or grilled chicken on wheat sometimes with a salad if i'm still hungry
afternoon sometimes another granola bar
dinner is always either a couple cans of raw tuna, meatballs with spag sauce, turkey burgers, peanut butter on wheat, or hamburgers. I work out m-t and sat. I drink about 7 or 8 20 oz bottles of water per day and drink a protein shake in the evenings after workout (56 grams 2 scoops). And also the creatine every day 5 grams of that before workouts and usually in the mornings on non workout days.

If you need a more difinitive eating schedule I can start monitoring and writing it down now but like I said i usually always eat the same stuff. Someone had told me to buy a higher calorie protein powder but another guy said it will just make me fat because i'm already at a good weight for my height. I'd seen enormous guys that are the same height and weight as me (6'2'') and that's what i'd like to accomplish without getting fat.

Thanks again for all the help I hope this helps a little. Glad to give any more info if you need it.
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Ok, the steroid questions.

things like superdrol, Havoc, Phera Plex, are steroids. They cause testicular shut down, and thus need pct to get you back to normal after the cycle. Good PCT's consist of a few things, A SERM like tamox citrate or Clomid, these things block estrogen from binding to receptors, and through a feedback loop help raise test levels. This is the basis of a good pct. You need to bring your hormone levels back into check.

Things like herbal test boosters (tribulus, long jack, fenugreek, tongkat ali, ect) can be helpful for libido issues after a cycle. It is unknown to what extent they actually help hormone recovery, and some may even hinder it.

All steroids come with side effects, for example test can cause some lipid (cholesterol) issues. So its important to suppliment with red yeast rice, and some sesamin to bring that back into check, both durring and after the cycle. Each steroid has different side effects, so these "other" supps will change with the cycle. For instance many orals have a 17aa methyl group attached to them for greater bioavailability. This is very liver toxic, and thus you should use milk thistle and/or NAC for liver detox.

As for diet, you definately arent eating enough to gain mass at your ht. and wt. I would suggest you write down what your eating and just look at how many cals a day your getting, you might be suprised. If you want to get big, you need to feed your body the fuel it needs to grow. I know your concerned about fat gain, but it takes a lot of work to find that sweet spot where your eating enough to grow, but not enough to pack on fat.

I would also adjust your pre and post workout shakes, you need more then just protien to grow, a good pre and post workout shake should have low gi carbs like dextrose, maltodextrine, or waxy maize starch in it. On a bit of a side note, if your adding creatine mono, and not taking with carbs like I listed above, your wasting it. Mono needs a glucose carrier to enter the blood stream.
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Thanks for all the help hrdgain! Would you suggest I buy a high cal protein powder? The powder I have now is 256 cals per serving (one scoop) I've been doing two scoops after workout. It's hard for me to take the creatine with carbs because I work out directly after work which is in an office building so i have just been taking the capsules with water. Would it be better for me to just wait until I get home and take the mono with my protein shake??? Do you have any suggestions on eating more? I already feel I eat so much but I agree with you i'm probably not getting enough cals. Should I maybe pack a couple wheat and PB sandwiches to eat mid morning and mid afternoon to replace the granola bars?? I think i'm going to try the new protein shake along with new creatine (powder this time) and see if that helps. I don't understand how some of these 18 yr old kids are affording all these steroids and PCT sups?? Let me know what you think. I'm willing to give anything a try as long as I can afford it and do it right........THANKS AGAIN!
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If you have a high calorie protein power, most of those calories will likely come from maltodextrin and/or dextrose. How many grams of protein are in each scoop?

If I don't have time to head home after my workout, then I mix up everything at the house. Protein + carbs + creatine. Creatine monohydrate starts to break down when mixed in a liquid. So don't add water or milk to it until you're ready to drink it after the workout. Have you been taking the protein right after your workout? There is an "anabolic window" right after your workout when nutrient intake will be very high. That's what whey is best used for...it's a very fast digesting protein.

Here is what I might eat in a normal day:
Breakfast - 8:30
Shake - (Blend) 1 cup oatmeal, 2tbsp peanut butter, 48 gr protein from chocolate whey, 1/2 cup milk

Snack 11:00
2 Kashi TLC bars (Honey Almond Flax)
OR 1 protein bar

Lunch 2:00
1 can tuna
1/2 cup low fat cottage cheese
1 cup brown rice or whole grain pasta
1 cup steamed green veggie

Dinner 6:00
Chicken breast
1 cup brown rice or whole grain pasta
1 cup steamed green veggie

Snack 9:00
1 can tuna
1/2 cup cottage cheese

Hopefully that gives you some kind of idea how to take in some extra calories...the meals are spread out so I'm eating every few hours, but I'm not eating a lot at any one meal...lunch is normally my largest meal.

The way that most of the high school kids can afford this stuff is that they don't do it right. Aside from the fact that they aren't physically mature enough to do it, they normally don't run a PCT or just buy milk thistle and 6oxo or something like that. It's bad...

EDIT: Another option is to take the creatine pills with a sugary drink. Grape juice is very high in dextrose, which makes it a good choice.
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Old 02-20-2008, 11:07 AM   #10
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I have never really looked at the calorie content of my protien powder, just the grams of pro per serving. I would think that if one has more cals then another they are either different types of protien, or one has added carbs for taste or something. So more cals is not better persay, but I would look to see what else is in it.

I would definately suggest packing some sandwhiches or something. I dont know about pbj, but whole wheat bread with low salt cold cuts is a good idea. Maybe if you do pbj with natty peanut butter and perserves with no sugar added.

Ross has some great suggestions there too!
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