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Old 07-31-2006, 05:32 PM   #1
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I've read in different locations that taking creatine & L-Glutamine in the same serving is not as benifical as taking them by themselves but different times. I also see various products which have both in them, but not the same amount of each in a serving.

I came accross the following:
http://eas.com/nutrition/faq.asp?cmsId=1091
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Q: If you take creatine and glutamine together, will they compete for absorption?


A: Muscle cells do have what is referred to as a "sodium-potassium pump," a "valve" that allows certain nutrients to both enter and exit. Both creatine and glutamine enter the muscle cell through this pump, however, the actual mineral, sodium has nothing to do with that process. It is incredibly difficult (and by practical means nearly impossible) to overload this pump to the point at which glutamine and creatine would be competing for entry. Neither creatine nor glutamine needs to bind to a sodium molecule for absorption into muscle cells. Creatine binds to a phosphate molecule, which then becomes phosphocreatine. Phosphocreatine is stored in muscle cells to be used as an energy source. Glutamine is a free form, "conditionally essential" amino acid that is prevalent throughout the body. Glutamine is necessary for a variety of functions in the body such as tissue repair and cell volumization. Glutamine does not bind to a sodium molecule for absorption, and is readily utilized throughout the body.
What are your thoughts on this topic? Is this another highly debated topic without much scientific proof?

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HMMM....I actually think the most debated issue is whether glutamine does any good at all in the dosages that people normally take it. I have taken it and noticed I seem to get less colds or at least I thought so. I've never heard anything aboout them competing though.

When I used to use both post workout I would separate them a little. Creatine first and glutamine a little later but this was only cuz I wanted fast absorption and so didn't want to put too much into my stomach at once, i.e. I wanted to keep the mixture dilute.

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HMMM....I actually think the most debated issue is whether glutamine does any good at all in the dosages that people normally take it. I have taken it and noticed I seem to get less colds or at least I thought so. I've never heard anything aboout them competing though.
Scivation and the Cut Diet book recommend 40-60 grams of glutamine a day. Most people take a conservative 10-20 grams to put things in perspective. But, it IS pretty cheap, and definately worth it buying a Kilo while cutting.

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I've read in different locations that taking creatine & LGlutamine in the same serving is not as benifical as taking them by themselves but different times. I also see various products which have both in them, but not the same amount of each in a serving.

I came accross the following:
http://eas.com/nutrition/faq.asp?cmsId=1091


What are your thoughts on this topic? Is this another highly debated topic without much scientific proof?

Discuss..

I have read that also in another forum. So what I do is take my creatine before workout and take in the Glutamine after. In this case, I know there will be no reaction. Based on what I read, there should be a two hour difference.
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Scivation and the Cut Diet book recommend 40-60 grams of glutamine a day. Most people take a conservative 10-20 grams to put things in perspective. But, it IS pretty cheap, and definately worth it buying a Kilo while cutting.

I agree with this 100% even though that is coming from a company who sells supplements, I think glutamine is definatly worth buying if you have some cash laying around (its not something you NEED) but its nice to have. I notice not feeling as soar after a workout, but I think you only get these results if you go on a high dosage.....5 grams will not cut it. And as eric mentioned it also helps the immune system

If you have any doubts about whether or not they combine together correctly why not just seperate them for the hell of it and don't worry about it....is it really required that you take the two together?
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Scivation and the Cut Diet book recommend 40-60 grams of glutamine a day.
This is the amount I've heard recommended and not just by sup companies. I actually meant to mention that in the context of what I was saying. It certainly makes sense to me that during CUTTING would be the time to do that. Otherwise when bulking and taking in huge amounts of calories and protein in general you're probably good to go, although some glutamine around your workouts may be beneficial.

I looked around but I personally haven't found any real evidence to support this competition theory, but as the others said, may a well separate them if it makes you feel better.
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Yeah, I haven't been able to find any evidence to support/reject this theory and have just decided to only combine 1 serving for convienance purposes. I've also thought about increasing the amount from the recommended 15g per day in 5g intervals, up to about 30g, until this supply runs out. I figure that way I can get a feel for my tolerance for it.

I'm still deciding to on if it's worth it to buy it seporately next time also.
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I'm still deciding to on if it's worth it to buy it seporately next time also.
Well, that's the only way you can control your dosage and it's much more cost effective.

On the tolerance issue you can probably take HUGE amounts of something like glutamine without any problems. It's not that bio available although part of that is because it's so valuable to the gut and is absorbed and used by the digestive system. But anything that is not utilysed will just be oxidized.

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