Help for an amature?
 

Hey, I've been lifting for roughly five years now and am looking to take it to the next level. Nothing dangerous or extreme, i've just never taken supplements other then whey and i want to become more aesthetically pleasing.

I'm 17 (I mostly ran and did workouts using my bodyweight {pushups/pullups/and such} untill i turned 15)
Weight: 160
Height 5 11

Bench: 285
Squat: 355
Clean: 225

Pullups (dead hang): 27
Pushups (chest to ground): 91

Money is not an issue. Can somebody please reccommend me a supplement stack or various supplements that would help me gain around 20lbs of muscle by april/may?

Thank you!!

more food is the best bet.

sorry I forgot to add that I eat alot.

typically 3 eggs for breakfast
random fruit and cottage cheese at 10ish
two chicken breast sandwich for lunch
gym and protein shake after
normal dinner
typically some more cottage cheese before bed

I'm not really going to change the way I eat. I'm just looking for supplemental help.

thanks!

that's really not a lot of food. supplements aren't magic....the only way you get bigger is to take in more calories.

notice how I posted my thread in the supplement section and not the nutrition section. I'm asking for supplements to help me build muscle; not magically make me massive.

if I eat much more than what I eat now, I put on alot of fat.

can anybody reccommend SUPPLEMENTAL help? I hear creatine is good but what else is there?

good luck.

You're a retard. You can't gain weight without eating more (ie a caloric surplus). Pity just gave you good advice and you acted like a smart ass turd. No supplements are going to make you bigger unless they have plenty of calories, in which case you're better off eating more whole foods. Go read the stickies. There is plenty of good advice there. If you do that and learn something, then maybe you won't look like a moron the next time you post.

Let me translate this whole conversation you had with Pity to something a 5 year old can understand:
You: I want to win the lottery. How do I do it?
Pity: Buy lottery tickets.
You: I said I wanted to win the lottery, not buy lottery tickets.
Me: You're a retard.

{inb4 bad spelling/grammar. I typed this up on an itouch}

I post on this forum seeking helpful advice. Seems like there are just assholes here. I post the exact same thing on another forum and people recommended various types creatine, NO, and amino acids, saying what each of the supplemets do. Eating a tub
of cottage cheese a day, chicken, eggs, and drinking lots of milk is more than enough for a 17 year old person. I have an incredibly slow metabolism so I already have to do enough cardio to stay skinny. I don't want to be some fat shapeless gym junkie which is exactly what I would become if I ate much more

definatey no useful help from this forum for what I requested. sure I would gain more weight by eating more. that makes perfect sense and I understand that. but to stay with 4% bodyfat, I can't.

your the retard. but thanks for the obvious information!

First , how many calories are you taking in ?

Now - What supplements are you currently taking ?

If none then get some protein powder , Multi Vitamins , creatine ( bulk mono ) , fish oil.

THANK YOU! somewhere between 3-4 thousand daily. currently just taking whey gold standard

Try out some creatine . No need to spend a lot of money of it either . Some bulk mono will do .

you must be eating gallons of cottage cheese to get that 3-4 thousand calorie mark....judging from what you posted as a diet.

^^^ he's right. I think he was lying about calories so he can skirt the issue. If he has a slow metabolism, then he's probably not burning more than 3000kcal/day. So why eat over 3000 cals and then do cardio to get rid of the excess? It makes no sense. There is no way that he's close to 4% bodyfat like he implied either.

Supplements aren't going to make you gain muscle and not fat. So the key to reaching your goal is your diet. Supplements aren't going to have a significant effect in the long run. The reason you got flamed is because you're putting the cart before the donkey and you were a smart ass to pity.

You said your goal is to gain 20lbs of muscle by April/May. The ONLY way that you'll reach that goal is with a caloric surplus. So quit bitching about the good advice that was given to you in the first place.

that is a very good example of how he's acting. :lame:

Little punk rich kid, I been lifting longer than he's been off the best supp of all, mommy milk. HAHA!!

Not to harp on the kid but its always been my understanding that you will gain muscle faster with more than 12% body fat, then you can just cut the fat because you will have the muscle underneath to burn it off, so yes everyone here could give you a grocery list of crap to buy but what good would it really do because all you really need is alot of food. and by the way if your at 4% you don't have a slow metabolism in fact you probably have a fast one so take the time to get another meal in per day. I read an interesting post here that pretty much said that a big power lifter that might be say for instance 20% will out gain someone that is 10%, so load up on the best supplement ever food.

I would say for average people without a lot of "help", if they could maintain at about 12% or around there, then they could continue gaining muscle in a realistic way..all things being equal. Putting on MORE fat than that is not and advantage to gaining muscle.

Ranges above 12 to 15% for a male are actually detrimental to muscle gain. As well as are lower ranges like below 10.

Just by virtue of having gained, say 10 pounds of muscle while putting on TOO much fat....many people will just be stuck with too much fat and will have tough time burning that off without extreme shit and that "ripped" thing...will never really come.

People both underestimate the "help" that pros get in terms of bulking and then cutting and they overestimate the amount of fat that pros put on off-season.

Staying at 4% bodyfat and gaining a lot of mass? Ain't gonna happen. That is an unhealthy fat range for a male anyway.

Bart, just because you went to another board and got handed answers that you WANTED to hear, doesn't mean the other board was giving you better advice. ANY lazy, inexperienced ______ can list a bunch of supplements and claim any number of things about them. It takes no time, though, or special knowledge except what they themselves have been led to believe.

Not to put down Talo's advice on suppments AT ALL, but you can go to any board in the universe that has a "fitness" section and get a list of supplements, none of which will make a difference in the long run, as Ross said.

But I concur with some fish oil and a multi. And it sounds like you already use protein powders, but I personally count all significant protein sources as FOOD.

Creatine won't hurt you and will help your high end a bit but I doubt, again, there is any long term benefit.

I always thought that anything below 6% becomes a health risk, and healthy percentage, especially if working out is between 10% and 12%...?

There are no hard and fast rules just estimated ranges. Generally speaking, yes, below 6 percent is dipping into what could be an unhealthy range. But like everything it depends.

Only some of the fat stored in your body is stored for fuel. There is a small percentage of it that is essential fat. I don't remember for sure..someone can correct me, but I think for a male of median age that is about 3 to 4 percent.

The problem is people think that means that as long as you have 3 to 4 percent your ok. Because they don't understand that there is not a line that divides it.

That three to four percent is a percentage of your total body fat. As you dip lower and lower, that amount of essential fat dips as well. I don't know how it works exactly but basically by the time your start getting down to the four and five percent level of total body fat your essential fat can have gotten to an unhealthy level.

Different estimates float around and it certainly has to do with your activity level, etc. but for the same average male the usual healthy range tends to be given between 8 to 19%.

For some guys, 8 percent may hardly be a visible six pack. The average fitness buff esthetic goals have very little to do with general health.

Yeah, I am pretty sure your brain is mostly fat...what would even necessitate being that lean...that is just crazy