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john917v 01-17-2009 02:32 PM

Mass-gainer=casein?
 
The Body Fortress mass gainer has casein as one of the primary ingreds. Would this be a good source of casein, rather than buy muscle milk? I would rather buy in person than online.

Ross86 01-17-2009 02:52 PM

Sure. I don't know whether you want to take a gainer before bed though since insulin will blunt GH release. I eat carbs before bed every night and I haven't been able to tell a difference though.

EricT 01-17-2009 04:31 PM

I wouldn't worry over GH release. The primary concern should be getting in all your macros in the amounts you want and your calories in general.

BTW, GH release is highest when you are fasting. Hmmm...

Truth is GH release can be your body's way of making up for a lack of substrate. I wouldn't worry about what I eat blunting GH release for a sec.

Ummm...ask me where I just read this :)

Ross86 01-17-2009 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by EricT (Post 75467)
I wouldn't worry over GH release. The primary concern should be getting in all your macros in the amounts you want and your calories in general.

BTW, GH release is highest when you are fasting. Hmmm...

Truth is GH release can be your body's way of making up for a lack of substrate. I wouldn't worry about what I eat blunting GH release for a sec.

Ummm...ask me where I just read this :)

:) Where did you read this?

One very accomplished Olympic lifter that I know disregarded this completely, but wouldn't give me a sufficient explanation, so I decided to eat carbs with him since having Little Debbie cakes at night is so indulgent....and tasty.

Pitysister 01-18-2009 08:56 AM

no wonder you can get 5000 calories in...all you eat is kfc and little debbie :)

EricT 01-18-2009 12:03 PM

Thanks for asking :biglaugh:

Alan Aragon's Research Review. Ross..you would love it. There is a multi-part series on nutrient timing. Actually, I'm sure there is a 'before bed' discussion but I haven't even gotten to that part yet. More information than I can digest but it is really answering many questions or reinforcing a lot of my own conclusions.

Anyway...I think what you eat at night should be about how it fits into your diet, macronutrients an caloric goals, what it easy on your stomach, and what allows you to sleep well. Carbs would be out for most anyway.

As for as the GH you'd probably maximize that by eating nothing before bed so this is like I've been saying and saying...stop looking at small physiological details FIRST. Look at the big picture and the proceed to the details.

Most of the time once you get the big picture in hand you find that the details are just that...details.


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