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Old 02-03-2009, 04:45 PM   #1
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i'm 6feet2, 177 and i'm currently doing the optimized volume training. I'm thinking about taking some creatine monohydrate. I'm doing 30 min of cardio (running or swimming) 5 or 6 times a week right after my workout. I ask you when should i take my creatine and how much after the loading period. and btw what you think 'bout the optimized volume training.
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no need to load it...despite what the bottle says....you can take it whenever you want to....it doesn't matter.
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As long as you are taking it consistently every day, it doesn't entirely matter what time. A lot of people say after your workouts, so might as well go with then.

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As long as you are taking it consistently every day, it doesn't entirely matter what time. A lot of people say after your workouts, so might as well go with then.

Hate to disagree with you my friend. The instructions on the product is there because of countless years of testing and research on subjects whether human or animal. You want to take it before your workouts to make sure your levels are up. Makes as much since as putting air in a flat tire after you get to your destination. You will have to find out what time frame is best for you taking creatine before your workout. Most suggest 30-45 minutes prior but everyone is different. Types of creatine you take will make a huge difference on how much is actually being absorbed into your system and the benefit you are actually getting.
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Hate to disagree with you my friend. The instructions on the product is there because of countless years of testing and research on subjects whether human or animal. You want to take it before your workouts to make sure your levels are up.
Not true. Try to substantiate your claims. Post up some evidence.
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Hate to disagree with you my friend. The instructions on the product is there because of countless years of testing and research on subjects whether human or animal. You want to take it before your workouts to make sure your levels are up. Makes as much since as putting air in a flat tire after you get to your destination. You will have to find out what time frame is best for you taking creatine before your workout. Most suggest 30-45 minutes prior but everyone is different. Types of creatine you take will make a huge difference on how much is actually being absorbed into your system and the benefit you are actually getting.
1) You can count the years of research thats been done. Countless years is a big exaggeration, to say the least.

2) It is no where near the same as your analogy of inflating tires. If you're saturated, you're saturated. A couple of hours is not going to magically cause your levels to drop.

Start posting some actual evidence to substantiate your claims. Otherwise (like Ross) I'm gonna call bs.

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1) You can count the years of research thats been done. Countless years is a big exaggeration, to say the least.

2) It is no where near the same as your analogy of inflating tires. If you're saturated, you're saturated. A couple of hours is not going to magically cause your levels to drop.

Start posting some actual evidence to substantiate your claims. Otherwise (like Ross) I'm gonna call bs.

1--Ok, figure of speech on the "countless years" but 60+ is quite a few...see link below [or if you want to count the original studies in the 1800's]

2--If your saturated then your doing more harm than good. Tough on the liver and the bodies filtration along with continued saturation can cause the body to slow down its own process of creatine. Also, the body can only take so much before it becomes waste.

3--as for documentation, I have given Ross links [independent] to look up to justify my statements. But not a problem. Everybody has their own opinion on what is best but mostly I have discovered many are stuck on obsolete discoveries and older formulas [mono] due to the vast majority of research done on it. Anybody can find ANY research to "justify" their believes. As for me, I have researched and been apart of many studies in the past regarding creatine mono along with others. Trust me mono is old school.

4--As for dosages and times to take...maybe I didnt clarify myself properly and thats my fault. Some say take it before others say after your workout. Your gonna get different opinions. Some research found that taking creatine after your workout is not wrong but depending on the time frame before your next workout levels of creatine could be low. I believe those stats are in one of the links below. If you need more information please let me know. I appreciate the oppertunity to learn if I mistakenly quote improperly.





June 1999, issue Albion Research Notes (Vol. 8, No. 2)

Perspective in Biology and medicine Volume 46, number 3, summer 2003, pgs 445-451----Soviet experimenting with creatine during WW II (1943)

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Albion Research Notes are also promoting their own patented magnesium creatine chelate...Sorry to say but that loses credibility right off the bat.

Gain-weight-muscle-fast.com....couldn't find anything about mono being bad or 'old school'. Didn't see any citations either. How can you say studies have shown and then not provide any of them?

Sorry, but I'm still calling bs
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Based on my understanding, blood creatine levels don't make a difference during a workout. If you're training once a week, then taking it only on training days doesn't make sense. That might explain the time frame argument you made.

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bs, bs, bs. It's not hard on the liver if you're dosing around 5g/day. Endogenous production might slow after a few months...that's why lots of people choose to cycle it. Obviously it becomes waste after a certain point. Otherwise people would be taking 1000g/day.

No other form has been proven to work BETTER than CM. Like I've said before, creatine is creatine is creatine. The only question is absorption and monohydrate has been proven to be absorbed effectively.

All I'm hearing is idle speculation. Still.

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Based on my understanding, blood creatine levels don't make a difference during a workout. If you're training once a week, then taking it only on training days doesn't make sense. That might explain the time frame argument you made.


bs, bs, bs. It's not hard on the liver if you're dosing around 5g/day. Endogenous production might slow after a few months...that's why lots of people choose to cycle it. Obviously it becomes waste after a certain point. Otherwise people would be taking 1000g/day.

No other form has been proven to work BETTER than CM. Like I've said before, creatine is creatine is creatine. The only question is absorption and monohydrate has been proven to be absorbed effectively.

All I'm hearing is idle speculation. Still.


Ok, obviously you didnt read all the links that were attached to my earlier response. You claimed that one of my sources, Albion International, is promoting their product and Im sure they are...along with every other site and study. The part I dont think you read was the research done on creatine monohydrate and the lack of the stomachs ability to absorb it due to the acidic condition. Quote--"Although creatine [as monohydrate] has been shown to be a very effective substance, it is important to note that creatine, with the amino group [NH] gamma to the carboxylic acid, makes it prey to acid hydrolysis. Whatever the rationale, it has been CLEARLY shown that creatine has a propensity to form creatinine, under acidic conditions. In fact, in acidic aqueous solutions, the formation of creatinine from creatine is nearly total and irreversible. From this, one can see that a great deal of creatine can be transformed irreversibly into creatinine, when exposed to the stomachs acidic conditions. Once creatinine is formed, it is no longer of any physiological benefit". [Albion Research Notes Volume 8, No.2]. This non absorbed, up to 66% of the product, bile is what causes the bloating, gastrointestinal distress, required loading period, having to stop taking mono for periods of time and the need for large doses of product and liquids. What has been discovered is by using a chelate formula, the absorbtion, using the small intestines, avoiding the acidic conditions of the stomach now making it almost 100% absorbed without ANY side effects.-[Studies done in powder form]. Gells and pills are ingested throught the stomach no matter what form of creatine is being used.

I hope this new information is what you were looking for. I used Albion International Research [ to end any speculation] as a referrence since they are known and respected worldwide along with their study findings being highly regarded.

Albion Research [Dec 1999 Vol 8, No.3]

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Creatinemonohydrate.net

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