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Enorris, thanks for that write up. I wasnt doubting you, I am just of the firm belief that anything MT sells can be duplicated for a much cheaper price. If it works for you, then thats awesome, its not everyday that a suppliment actually comes through on its claims.

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yea what i have to say is that it just gets you absolutely pumped!!!! for workouts

it puts me in this mood that just is idk how to explain it just a great mood perfect for lifting

When you did the citrulline malate, beta alanine, and caffeine, did you add in high GI carbs? I think that's where most of that stamina comes from...replenishment of glycogen stores.

Where did you get it for that price?

No I didn't add the high gi carbs.. But as far as I can remember NanoVapor only has like 8 carbs per serving... Not sure about that though.. I'll look up the label..

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Actually it's 10 and only 4 grams from sugar.... On the fruit punch variety, which is the one I used several times...

I'm sure that people are going to feel an effect. I think if you were to stay on it longer term and not just when it is on sale you'd find it wearing off. But my complaint is just like anything from MT...they are charging you for the illusion of scores of ingredients most of which are microdosed. Look at the 'serving size". 24000 mg. Which is of course 24 grams but 24000 sounds oh so much higher. 22 grams of that is the "proprietary blend" with the taurine and creatine products mostly but 10 grams of that must be maltodextrin (that's expensive malto right there).

The rest of the MANY (about 55?) ingredients has to be divided into 2 grams. So yeah overpriced rippoff product. They use ingredients as marketing.

And keep in mind that's not even counting other ingredients such as citric acid and buffers.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.

Muscletech, like Eric mentioned, uses ingredients as a marketing ploy in order to get uninformed but eager individuals to pay a lot of money for their product. If you educate yourself and determine what you really want you can find quality products at a very reduced price. Unless you buy into their marketing scheme and feel like you are the next Jay Cutler.

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well its helped me

I'm not saying it won't help. I'm saying that a lot of their products are overpriced and one can do better on their own doing their own research. Thats all. For their prices you better be getting results in my opinion.