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Supplements discussion on No2, within the Bodybuilding Forum; Originally Posted by Kane I know one guy that's on NOxplode and he swears by it. He's a big guy, ...


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Old 03-02-2006, 04:39 PM   #11
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I know one guy that's on NOxplode and he swears by it. He's a big guy, but he didn't get big on that stuff, he started taking it after he got big. He's been on it for about 8 months and his bodyweight hasn't moved more than 5lbs and his lifts are pretty much stagnant, he added about 10 lbs to bench. So I'd say that from the scientific aspect and from this guys experience that NO2 isn't really worth it.

Load up a barbell with alot of weight, put it on your shoulders and stand there for a bit....and that my friends is a cheap man's NOxplode
lmao nice! I'll give the cheap man's Noxplode a try tommorow
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Old 03-03-2006, 12:16 PM   #12
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Is an NO product going to make you gain lasting muscle mass? Many companies in their product descriptions don't even claim this in their advertising.

I realize there are plenty of studies showing their benifits. Do these benifits exceed those of that which could be obtaind through better protein supplementation? I doubt it.

ESPECIALLY all the newbies to training, think that an NO Booster is something they need to be on.

Here's what I say.

If, a person is already consistantly taking

Whey
Creatine
BCAAs (All-In-One,Xtend)
Multi
EFAs
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Proper investment in food for daily intake

Then, maybe, they should consider an NO.

Everyone talks about NO boosters as if they are a staple for gaining mass and strength.

I have tried many NO boosters in the past 6 months. Here's my experience:

Reduced workout intensity
Reduced range of motion
reduced muscular fatigue from reduced intensity


I feel they do work, but not for true gains in comparison to staple supplementation which is often overlooked.

To maintain 2g of protein per pound of body mass through my day, I go through a lot of protein. I also spend a lot of time cooking meals for taking with me to work. Do these newbies that are spending money on NOs?

Why are, especially the young kids, being told to buy NO boosters when it's highly unlikely they are even buying enough protein powder to meet their daily needs. We get alot of people who say they can't afford products like Xtend to take at solid doses. Maybe, it's because they're spending it on NO boosters.

The moral of the story is:

NO boosters shouldn't be purchased for gains, untill your diet and protein level has been maximized. K.I.S.S. keep it simple stupid, focus on the essentials!


this isn't a hate post. but i think the thought of NOs being a staple is absurd....

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Old 03-03-2006, 01:13 PM   #13
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Good post, Slated.

Also worth mentioning, I think, is that if you can't afford something like Xtend, you may be able to afford just getting the ingedients in bulk, which are readily available, and making your own cocktail. The only real difference being the taste and maybe mixability. That's what I do.

Something else I agree with you on, is the suggestion to try citrulline malate (a component of Xtend) before spending a boatload on an NO product.

But the bottom line is, as Slated stated, if your nutrition is not solidly in place, then you are THROWING away your money on a product like NO2. So, before considering this product or others like it, I would read all the diet info on this board and any where else you care too, and then take the time to ask yourself whether you are really doing all that you can in terms of nutrition.

No product, not even creatine, can take the place of a proper bodybuilding diet. If the diet is in place, then there are many supplements I think are worth looking at before considering NO - ones that actually have some solid science to back them up.

And always keep in mind that if there is a huge guy at your gym or your supplement store that happens to use a product, that doesn't mean that the product had anything to do with his success. A guy that is huge now and who takes NO started down probably started down that road a long time before NO product were ever conceived of.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Old 03-03-2006, 01:20 PM   #14
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www.giantnutrition.net has bulk citrulline malate as well as PCn to be taken with your CEE. It's worth looking into

Xtend id a great product! I mega dosed at 5 servings a day for two months and noticed a significant decrease in DOMS!
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Slated, read this:

http://www.bodybuilding.net/suppleme...e-read-66.html
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Old 03-03-2006, 02:26 PM   #16
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I read it and I didn't think it was spam. We were talking about citrulline malate and I mentioned PCn as well. If a moderator feels I'm spamming, which I don't mean to, feel free to delete it, but I thought since supps aren't sold here, a link wouldn't be bad.

If you check my post history, I'm not here to pimp in any way shape or form.

Though I will be looking for testers in the near future.
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I'm not here to pimp in any way shape or form.
That's why I posted it, cuz I didn't think you were. And I agree, it's not spam in the sense that you created a thread about it. That stuff is extremely obvious.

It's obviously up to Sleazy or 0311 to interpret the rules. But the post says it is ok to mention places if someone actually asks you where to find a deal, etc. Nobody really did. But again I'm not sure how to interpret it and I would be out of bounds if I tried. So I just wanted to make sure you had seen it to interpret for yourself.

Oh, and I don't need to check your post history. I've read everything you've posted . It's good stuff.
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No product can take the place of a proper bodybuilding diet.
Absolutely!

Maybe the one key thing that most people overlook is that supplements such as BCAA's, whey, malto, dextrose, etc., are DIETARY Supplements. I know the majority of people that start working out automatically grab some whey, or whatever the latest supp in MM or M&F is, and don't realize that it is a supplement, not a replacement. So before anyone even looks at picture of a container of whey, XTEND, etc., they need to plan out a diet and find some numbers for daily intakes and then use the supps to fill in the gaps that diet misses, if any.

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Well said, Kane.
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i know the bottle says to take the pills before breakfast and before lunch. but i can't take them before lunch because pills are not allowed in my school. would it matter if instead of taking them at lunch i take them at 3:00
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