Non ckd wieght loss
 

Ok i'm putting together a regiment for my buddy, I dont have any exsperience with cutting w/o going low carb, so i'm enlisting the almight help of the forum.

I will have him at 500 cals below main. With 30 min cardio 3 days a week, then after a few weeks putting in some HIIT.

What other then stimulants will help him shed some unwanted body fat.

Keep the diet clean,focus carbs around workouts,and 30 mins od fasted state cardio if possiblw,,,Other then that tell him to either get some caffine tabs,or green tea extract pills+Vasopro.

There are a couple ways. Like jenn said, do cardio in the morning and grab some vasopro.
I do cardio in the am. I take 30g protein shake right when getting up, then cardio soon afterwards. I take 25mg vasopro, 200mg caff, and 81mg Asprin. Some people add in Yohmbine, or green tea. Reporter will be using tri-max. There is also synephrine for receptors... Its best to start off slow with stimulants to check tolerances. Oh yeah, I take my stack 3 times a day for a total of 75e, 600c, 243a.

For diet - the 500 is good to start. Keep clean, have pc in morn then pc pre and post workout.

Some people prefer a carb cycle, going with a low, medium, then high carb day.

I will try a Zig-Zag diet next. Setup is -
Low calorie days (20-25% below maintenance) - 2000 cal
High calorie days (Maint level) - 2650

Ive been on a low carb diet, and it is nice to try something that I can have carbs again. I had oats for the first time in a while yesterday.... good stuff.

just as an aside, from my research for him i will create my post ckd diet. I plan on continued cutting afterward.

so I take it sesathin, r-ala, are not viable for this type of diet. I would assume not since i use both of them to push me into ketosis.

i will most likely have him use fish oil, should i cut that, or will it still benifit him?

I think the hoodia plant is good for appetite suppression.

hrdgain, Sesathin and r-ala help the body with nutrient partitioning. and can be included in any cutting cycle. Here is Avant Labs writup http://www.mindandmuscle.net/page.php?pageID=234 , There is also info in their forum. I learned a lot of new words in the writup.
yup, from what ive read 0311 is right, from BN "By decreasing appetite, curbing cravings, and increasing energy, Hoodia Gordonii can be a useful addition to any fat-loss program."
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now that is getting nicer in most places, throw sprints in the mix.

yeah sprints are a must, and i read up on hoodia i think that is a must too.

however i need to work up to sprints, i cant just jump into them or i wont be able to walk the next day ... so they dont get into my cutting cycle till about week 3.

as far as sesathin i wonder if the cost benifit is there to drop 26 bucks on it a month.

i would hesitate to use r-ala when carbs are involved, it is a nutrient partitioner, but it will shuttle carbs to fat just as quickly, its not a "carb blocker"

I thot Dave had a clean cutting diet?
Basic rule--calories in vs calories out.

I havent seen a cutting diet from dave yet. But i know you can easily adjust his bulking 101 to go below main. cals for a cutter.

my main concern was with cutting sups, and not trying to be in ketosis, and still lose wieght.

I stick with my old fashioned low fat high protein diet when I am cutting. At least I am regular, not like all of you on the low carb diet :D