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Old 09-18-2006, 07:37 AM   #1
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In advance, this thread has a few topics in it but I felt that this area of the forums was most appropriate. I apologize if it's not, mods feel free to move to the correct place.

Well first let me introduce myself. My names Ryan and I'm 20 years old and just signed up to these forums. I just finally bought a weight bench with preacher curl attachment and a leg attachment. Yesterday I went out and bought a 300 lb set of weights with a 7' bar, and also have a few dumbells laying around.

I got to the point where I'm seriously tired of being the size I am right now. I am 5'11" and weigh 170 lbs. I played sports my whole life but now that I am in college and am working I don't have the time to do things like that. I want to really change my body. I would say I have a pretty athletic build, but I want to greatly increase my strength.

So now I have the equiptment and the desire. But unfortunitly I do not have much knowledge on this subject and that's why I'm turning to you guys for help. My main question is, what supplements should I buy to help me out? I have money to work with, but I'm obviously not rich. I'm willing to spend what I have to, but keep in mind that I'm a commuting college student who is working full-time, so any savings would be nice.

My secondary question is, and I'm sorry that this is in the wrong forum but I did not want to make two separate threads, is what type of routine should I be doing? If anyone could give me a link to a program that would be greatly appreciated. I am looking for a routine that focuses on the upper body, as my lower body is rather muscular already, mainly from 16 years of soccer.

Thanks to everyone in advance, I know that it must be annoying to get these newbie questions, I've dealt with them on other forums on other subjects and I'm not trying to be "that" kind of user. I respect everyone's knowledge on here and am open to all of your ideas. I'm glad to be a part of the forums and hope that I can also give back as much as I will take from them.

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Old 09-18-2006, 08:05 AM   #2
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first off, Welcome.
Second, I would just start with some Whey protein. It's basic and while you're taking it you can read a lot on this board on what other's have tried. Also, I would get your diet in order. You can do all the sups. you want but if your diet isn't in order then your wasting your money.

As for a workout program, there are so many you can select from on this board it's ridiculous. You say you want to increase strength, but from what I read, and if I'm wrong sorry in advance, but you haven't really "worked out" steadily. So, I would just pick a workout and do it, get your feet wet. You will get strong no matter what at this stage of the game. If you want to start with something basic I would do Max-OT, DFHT or HST. All of which are on this board. I find Max-OT to be very basic and a good starting point for beginners. DFHT and HST are also very good but you will be working out your whole body 2-3 times a week and you might be too sore after your first couple of workouts to really push the weight when just starting lifting. Max-ot is 1 body part a week which is a lot of rest. All of the workouts are good but if you're going to start with Max-ot, I would only do it for a Month just to see where your base numbers are for your lifts. Then after that move on to some DFHT or HST.
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Old 09-18-2006, 08:26 AM   #3
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Thanks for the reply Dave.

I actually already have some whey. Last winter I actually worked out everyday for about 1.5-2 months, but that was to lose some weight and I had picked up the whey along the ride and when I went back to school didn't have much time. I was also on a strict diet of basically plain tuna and salad with fat-free dressing. I'm going to get back into that diet, but not as strict, as now I want to gain weight.

I have tried creatine in combination with whey before and it seemed to help. I also have tried no-explode, any reviews on that? I have worked out before, but in comparison to many members here, I'm sure I'm a serious newbie.

So I have the whey and am getting my diet in order, what else do ya think would help me out? I know nothing will help unless I'm putting the work in and eating right, and that's exactly what I plan on doing. Hopefully I can get pointed in the right direction and take a trip to the store later today
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Old 09-18-2006, 09:03 AM   #4
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If strength is really what you want then I would simply do a starting strength program. You MAY want to get your feet wet with the exercises with somewhat higher reps if only to get the form down but you don't need a designer program to do that.

HST would be a good program to get you feet wet too but if you want to get a whole lot stronger a whole lot faster then go to an actual strenght program. Since you're just starting out you'll prob be adding weight to the bar like there's no tomorrow. To me, doing DFHT at this point would be like using a hammer on a thumb tack.

I guess I should use more variety but I'll have to recommend Rippletoe's 3x5 again . It's designed for beginners and even though it's three full bodies a week the volume is very low and you'll start with submaximal weights and build up. I doubt you'd be too sore on that. If you eat right you can gain a lot in strength and mass. Given all that I agree with Dave that your gonna get a whole lot stronger no matter what you do. I'm all about going right to the tool that fits the job.

On more supplements other than whey and creatine if you want it I'd look into your pre and post workout nutrition and decide what you want to do there...there's a sticky. Most of the really useful things you will have to order online since stores are mostly filled with designer crap or is not cost effective.

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For strength either try strong man shit, which is awesome and I might do in the future or West side barbell which is awesome and I'm doing now. Check powerlifting threads 0311 has some good shit there.

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Dude, you don't need to do westside now. Especially if you really aren't sure of what you are doing.

Here are two good programs to start with:

Max-OT

Wanna Be Big 1, 2, 3

As above, the only supplement you may need right away is a protein supplement. Shoot for 1 - 1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight per day. If you can get that thru food, God bless. Otherwise a protein shake or two throughout the day fills the gap nicely.

And maybe some creatine. Don't get suckered into all that high-priced crap. Just get some regular ol' creatine monohydrate and some dextrose and you're good to go (and a little less poor in the process).

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If your goal really is getting strong then it is NOT about training body parts. It's about training lifts. If you can put weight on the bar with the big lifts more often than once a week then do it. No reason not to. The idea that beginners need a split is a bit of dogma that I think needs to be dispenced with.

The good news is that the big lifts will train all your "parts" and you'll get bigger.
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If your goal really is getting strong then it is NOT about training body parts. It's about training lifts. If you can put weight on the bar with the big lifts more often than once a week then do it. No reason not to. The idea that beginners need a split is a bit of dogma that I think needs to be dispenced with.

The good news is that the big lifts will train all your "parts" and you'll get bigger.
But curling in the squat rack is so cool! That way I can show of my guns.
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