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Old 10-19-2005, 01:07 PM   #1
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hey guys, i'm new to this forum...wondering if someone could help...I've been training for almost 2 years solid. ju jitsu-kickboxing 4-5 times a week along with 1-2 miles 4-5 times a week. i'm really looking to cut up.
i've recently added whey protein to my diet as a meal replacement-as a woman i was told that soy would be my best bet but i haven't found one that i like, will whey protein be ok or will it cause weight gain
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Old 10-20-2005, 11:48 AM   #2
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i think the only reason why they said to use soy is because it's been linked to raising estrogen levels...someone correct me if im wrong on this.

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Old 10-23-2005, 03:51 PM   #3
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Okay well I was looking for the answer to your question and I couldn't find a clear cut answer this is what I found though.

PROTEIN
For Ladies


Right now in the health food shops and fitness
centres there are various brands of protein
promoting they are just for women. The marketing
of these proteins seem to suggest that women need
different protein than men to achieve weight loss,
increase muscle definition and tone up. The fact of
the matter is that the human body, whether male or
female are made up of the same proteins. To
suggest that there are gender specific proteins is a
down right lie. The make up of muscles, enzymes,
skin, hair, nails, bones, blood, all the tissues in our
body, are the same for both males or females. To
trick women into believing there is a protein just
for them is deceiving and degrading. Women are
lead to believe that protein not labelled as women's
protein will make them bulk up and put on too
much muscle. This is far from the truth! A lot of
these so called women's proteins use the cheapest
proteins you can get. We all know that cheaply
processed proteins can cause bloating and
flatulence. Some women already have enough
embarrassing problems with bloating without
adding more fuel to the fire. Health food shops
and fitness centres promote these proteins to the
ladies because they are cheap and they can make a
bigger profit from them. Another thing is that these
proteins are promoted for weight loss. They have
pictures of slim figures on the container suggesting
that taking this protein will make you end up like
the picture on the tub. How are you going to get in
shape when the carbohydrate, fat and sugar
content of the protein is quite high and in some
cases higher than the protein content!

The Best Protein for Women to Use

A lot of people judge a protein by the amount of
amino acids it has per serving. This is true in
regards to comparing the amount of protein in the
product against another but it is not related to the
performance of the product or the amount of 'bio-
active' peptides in the protein. It's the 'bio-active'
peptides that have the specific functions within our
body and not the individual amino acids.
The amino acids are the building blocks for the
peptides. Every function in our body requires these
peptides. From producing hormones to keep us youthful looking to helping our liver produce enzymes to convert body fat into energy. Unless these are in an isolated form then the possibility of them being absorbed intact is very remote. Therefore it is the amount and type of isolated peptides which governs the best protein and not the quantity of protein or the amino acid profile. Unfortunately, most commercial proteins, if not all have a very small amount of these peptides and they are not in an isolated form.
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Old 10-26-2005, 02:48 PM   #4
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Wantingmuscle- Thank you for the info...I've been taking "Maximum Protein"-whey from GNC it's low in carbs calories and fats, so far so good.
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I would recommend instead going for a whey protein isolate. It's a better form of protein with less fillers such as ash, ect. that whey concentrate has. The GNC "guru's" probably recommended soy because you are a woman.

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I haven't heard of that I don't think. I'm pretty sure that soy is linked to lowering test levels in men.

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Whatever you do supplement wise I would suggest buying it online instead of at GNC for your pocketbooks sake. Stores like BulkNutrition and DPSNutrition have almost anything you need at a fraction of the price.

If you can't tell I really despise GNC stores especially when they give you fake info just to make a sale
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Now to address the myth that Soy may lower testosterone levels in males. One study that used Rhesus monkeys found that soy proteins had no effects on the reproductive hormones of these animals. Testosterone, DHEAS, sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG), testicular weight, prostatic weight, and other measurements were taken. They found no difference in hormonal changes between male animals who were given Soy and Egg protein.

got that from an article just to clear things up about the whole soy and test level thing
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Hmmm. I'll try to find all the other articles stating the exact opposite. Just goes to show you can't put your faith in a single article.
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Old 10-28-2005, 12:24 PM   #9
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Verb, also keep in mind that tests using actual humans are preferred for accurate results, but your example IS better than using rats. Also, since subjects were also given egg protein, I'm not sure how that will affect the outcome of the results.
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Damn, already found some that use humans for testing instead of animals. Now we have a conspiracy.

http://meeting.jco.org/cgi/content/a.../14_suppl/4611

Clinical and biologic activity of soy protein powder (SPP) in healthy male volunteers: effect on testosterone and luteinizing hormone (LH)
S. Goodin, F. Shen, W. Shih, N. Dave', M. Kane, G. Lambert, M. Gallo and R. Dipaola
Cancer Institute of New Jersey, New Brunswick, NJ; UMDNJ/Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, Piscataway, NJ


4611

Background: Epidemiologic studies and a recent prospective trial have revealed a reduced risk of prostate cancer associated with consumption of soy foods, possibly due to the estrogenic properties of soy. To determine if a commonly used SPP can have estrogenic activity in men, we specifically evaluated supplementation with SPP in healthy male volunteers and the effect on testosterone and LH. Methods: Healthy volunteers recruited to this study were men 18 years of age or older that were in good health with no known allergy to soy or phenylalanine. Treatment consisted of consuming two scoops (56g) of pure SPP (Puritan's Pride, Oakdale, New York) daily for 28 days. Serum testosterone and LH levels were collected prior to initiation of supplementation with soy protein powder, throughout the 28 days, and 14 days after the completion of therapy. Patients maintained a food diary throughout the 28-day period. Results: Twelve healthy volunteers were enrolled with a mean age of 32 years (range 25 to 47). Serum testosterone concentrations decreased during the 4-week use of SPP and increased within two weeks after SPP was discontinued, with a statistically significant percent change in testosterone over the four-week period (P=0.021). At no time did the mean serum testosterone fall below the normal reference range. Serum LH concentrations decreased during the 4 week use of soy protein powder then increased within two weeks after soy protein powder was discontinued but the changes did not reach statistical significance (P =0.20). There were no side effects reported by any participants. Using a yeast based assay transfected with the alpha and beta estrogen receptor (ER), we found that the soy protein selectively activated ER-beta. Conclusions: Soy protein powder decreases testosterone levels in healthy patients, which is reversible upon removal of SPP from the diet. These data support further study of these hormonal effects as a mechanism in prostate cancer prevention.

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