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Old 12-08-2005, 10:48 PM   #21
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Optimization of your gut morphology. This tissue "tunes" itself, from nearly flat to long finger like projection, fingers (villi) that provide surface area and home to many commensalistic (homey microbes) communities - according to the textural quality, and composition of nutrient inputs.

The bugs are the key to altering gut mophology.

Very, very cool dance of molecular exchanges across the membrane surfaces of the microbes and the surfaces they inhabit.

Our gut microbes, it turns out, have the key to turning on very sophisticated aspects of our immune (recovery and even control some cancers) systems. More importantly, they produce compounds you can't buy as a supplement, and that aren't found in raw food sources. These are key to optimized energy production and metabolic control.

Why, they even impact adipocyte hormone signaling from the brain. Because, of course, the brain needs certain signals for saiety under exercise stress - and when we are both in nutrient excess or shortage.

And that is key to muscle building versus caloric storage in times of excess.

Fine tune, optimize the absorption rates, the microbial population quality (and quantity, since they may increase six fold or more (thats 600%) as the villi lengthen in response to certain foods.

Does this make sense?
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Makes perfect sense, but how do I optimize these keys to optimized energy production and metabolic control?

There's no supplement or food source that can do it?

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Diet and foods that naturally supply a rich assortment of microbial community members. Membership enrichs in numbers and variety as the guy mophology shifts in response to certain food fibers and nutrient composition.

Its actually quite simple... If you examine the diet of most bbers, you find them taking certain short cuts in nutrient loading.

This variation in diet from a more historically accurate and varied diet, rich in seasonal food types, high in natural vitamins and minerals, and consisting primarily of whole foods in unprocessed forms, induces the most robust morphology and associated microbial population - and properly fine tunes enzyme and digestive factor production, and times food passage thru gut as well.

Again, am I making sense here?

No voodoo chemistry, I promise...
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so whole foods in unprocessed forms...
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In the right combination, and timing.

The PL crowd has taken a shot at this, and they term it "nutrient timing".

We take it one step further, and talk about nutrient programming.

You can't just throw a massive change in diet at your guy and not pay a price for your haste.

<wry laugh>

You have to finesse the changes.

The closer your current diet to optimized proportions, the less time it takes to push your gut along in performance. Then, matching delivery timing to energy output and other habits (sleep, which we are both now missing) become key.

The better your optimization, the less supplements you need, and the better your performance yield for food and supps dollars spent.

An enticemkent: as in judicious lifting that spares joint wear and tear (and optimized diet can help with joint support), the better your gut - and therefore immune performance - the more years you add to life expectancy beyond the standard statistical value...and, the better the quality of life in later years. In particular - mental performance.
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Puritan's Pride has milk thistle in several different mgs. 2 for 1 sale right now.

175 mg: 100/$13.59
200/25.59
400/46.99

250 mg: 100/$17.99
200/32.99

Standardized to 80% silymarins.

Does this sound okay?
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Edit: this blue dot bs is bugging me. Since I've posted my credentials, can I please get my rank upped a bit. I'm far from being a newbie unknown here....
It's a perfectly meaningless automatic little blue thingy. I never clicked on it until you started mentioning it. Mine says I'm on a distinguished road. Now, that's laughable. It's just tied to post number and you can bet nobody's taking it as proof of my expertise .

I'm telling you things you no doubt already know. But you seem to be concerned about it. So...

Your credentials are impressive. Everybody (even me ;) ) is glad you are here to help.

For a while there we had the reputation points thing, too, when Sleazy updated the bulletin. That doesn't seem to be on anymore, I'm glad to say.

I'm very interested in what you are saying about optimizing gut performance. Especially since you mentioned immunity. I take it you are not advocating microbial supplements like soil based organisms?

I've considered those in the past but I knew it wouldn't do much good unless one were doing exactly the kinds of things you are talking about here.
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"I take it you are not advocating microbial supplements like soil based organisms?"

Ah, no. But I'm curious to know where you think our gut microorganisms originate?

Of course they come from soil microcosms, from foods we prepare and ingest. Any gram soil sample contains millions of isolates (the concept of species among microbes is highly contested)

An absence of exposure to nonpathogen microoganisms in our sterile homes, by consumption of highly processed foods, and puritanical use of cleaning products as been identified as one of many reasons for declining immunity among Western nations.

The best means of encouraging retention and growth of a richly varied gut microbial community is by a change in diet towards reduced dependence on prepared foods, and deliberate consumption of wholesome and varied food sources (slower release proteins, carbs, and healthy fats) and yes, the use of certain foods that also serve as concentrated source of the most common types of gut bacteria.
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trouble, I may be jumping the gun here. But would it be possible to post an example (beginner) diet in order to achieve this optimazation of gut morphology? I have no doubt that this has merit, but its would be enormously helpful to know how to realisticly go about making this change.

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"I take it you are not advocating microbial supplements like soil based organisms?"
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Ah, no. But I'm curious to know where you think our gut microorganisms originate?
Aggggh! I give up! I surrender.

Read your quote out loud to yourself. Do you hear the condescension?

It was a question. Just a question. Not a challenge.

Let me rephrase it: Should we try microbial supplements?

Can I be any more respectful and direct than that? Yes, I am aware of where our gut microorganisms originate.

Your answer to my question is no. Is that correct? A simple no and a reason thereof would have been sufficient.
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