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| Moderator Rank: Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Jul 2005
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Gender: | I thought that this letter, posted by the New England Journal of Medicine, was very appropriate here and a good example of some of the things discussed. Specifically, the inappropriate use of studies to cite the effectiveness of certain 'supplements'. In this case, so-called human growth hormone sups. Quote:
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Gender: | I got around to reading more of Bryan Chung's blog, Evidence Based Fitness, which I linked at the beginning as well. Really a lot of generous info that should help cut throught the science mumbo jumbo. This is a way of arming yourself against the "experts" whose "science", whether you realize or not, isn't always as sensible as it sounds. April, 2007 (filled with good stuff), has a thing on abstracts which I found very educational. April, 2007 Hrdgain may like all his writings on Beta Alanine (but it's not the beta alanine blog says Bryan, haha). Atually one of my favorite strength, conditioning and corrective coaches recently mentioned as "abstract" in one of his writings as support and, even without knowing much, I was a little put off by a guy in his position using just an abstract in research support, especially since this thing I was reading was NOT free. But what he was talking about was sort of an aside and not so important and he may have just mentioned the abstract because he knew his readers would have easy access to it as opposed to a full paper. I don't know but it's something to watch for. |
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Gender: | Right. And all the yahoos, at bb.com DO read studies (or at least abstracts). Or they regurgitate stuff from authors who supposedly read studies (or at least abstracts) Listen to people who spout science while not trying to verify the science is basically going on faith. |
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Gender: | I think next I will find one of the many articles that cite studies where some of the studies don't have any actual thing to do with the subject matter and point it out. A favorite trick is to say some general statement and then cite like "12-23". Then you look at some of the studies and you really don't have a clue what they are ACTUALLY using to support their statement. And most likely they just included ever "related" paper they saw listed under the first one they found. |
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Gender: | Do tell. If you come across them again an example would be great. Here is an example that I still remember. Most people have seen the thread and the artices on "30 Grams of Protein Myth". There is a Will Brink article and another one as well that basically says....no studies or evidence has ever been found on protein limit by the authors. The conclusion is not to worry about it and of course it sounds pretty silly anyway. But just because you don't believe it doesn't mean you have the right to act like there is some type of PROOF of how much protein everyone can assimilate and then post bogus sources. Here is the example I'm speaking of from Bryan Haycock: Quote:
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/276/4/E628 It is one of those Tipton things on post exercise amino acids (solution). There is NOTHING in it that has anything to do with how much steak you can assimilate, etc. It has no bearing whatsoever on the "30 grams myth" that I can see. Very bogus. Sorry to any Haycock fans but it is what it is. What he is really doing is making a statement about 97 percent that cannot be verified and then using the study as an example of why he asks the question "why would researchers use in excess of 40 grams"...as if that somehow proves something. The effect is that most people will see a "study" listed and take the whole paragraph as "truth". | |
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Gender: | People hear what they want to hear and pretty much ignore the rest IMO. When someone who desperately wants to justify something (like the article you mentioned) and they find something that seems to fit their position, they tend to use it as absolute fact without even investigating for themselves to see if it truly is worth the read. People are also very gullible. Just watch some of the commercials out there....scary stuff. |
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