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10-05-2006, 10:04 PM
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Gender:  |  Frequency of Pullups could i do pullups 5 days a week monday through friday and not overtrain? or wut about 3 times a week being mon, wed, and fri? oh yeah and i am currently doing bill stars power routine i dont know if that would play into the frequency or not but just so yall know wut my training looks like |
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10-06-2006, 07:46 AM
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Gender: | That depends on your relative strength in terms of your bodyweight. For a lot of people doing pullups in addition to what they are already doing on 5x5 would be a lot like doing extra sets of heavy pulldowns in addtion to the rows they are already doing. Not advisable. Even if such things as pullups or pushups constitutes "endurance work" adding a bunch of them to the program would only make unecessary inroads into recovery. This is a three times a week full-body program. It doesn't need anything added to it. Pullups can be incororated into it if you so choose but it needs to be instead of, not in addition to something. Doing pullups 5 days a week on this serves no useful purpose except to take away from what you do on the program, unbalance the volume and frequency, and in general fuck the whole thing up. |
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10-06-2006, 08:45 AM
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| That can be true, but you need to factor in the persons strength, average recovery rate, how much of the pushups/pullups etc he or she will actually do. I agree, by all means it isnt necessary but some people like to be able to do those 'basic training' exercises. I'm doing Bill Starr also and the only thing I throw in every week or two is 2-3 sets of calf work. All it really needs imo. |
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10-06-2006, 09:17 AM
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Gender: | Well I'm assuming were not talking about jumping out of bed and doing a couple pullups/pushups to greet the day. However I don't think we disagree except for the idea that a person should do what they like if they are able to factor in a whole lot of variables that no formulae exist for, and imho, still lead to the very things I spoke of. The only thing that will change is the time frame and your perception of what you get out of the program. If a persons workload capacity, and recovery ability is so great, then they should choose a more advanced 5x5, not turn the one they are doing into a goat rope. One has to be cautious about how much arm work they put in let alone throwing in more "basic" compound movements. I know I don't have a diplamatic bent on these things but that is because I have seen that what people "want" to do is what generally screws them up. Bottom line is, to me, notwithstanding things like calve or forearm work if a person deems necessary, in terms of the basic goals of the program, anything that doesn't directly contribute or can hinder in any way the progression, it has no place on the program. People second guess, over analyse, let their egos take over, and confuse what they want to do with what they should do. Don't. Last edited by Eric3237; 10-06-2006 at 09:25 AM. |
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10-06-2006, 03:18 PM
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Gender: | wow thanks for all the feedback. i wasnt expecting all that. well lets see, i wanted to add pullups to my routine because i wanted to build up my lats and everything else involved in pullups, but if it's going to make my workout less fruitful then i wont do them. i was thinking about maybe doing them on wed which is a light day and i was thinking maybe 5 sets of 3 or 5 sets of 5. i would also like to throw in some dips on wed as well. any feedback would be greatly appreciated. thank you guys |
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10-06-2006, 05:29 PM
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Gender: | Well that's easy. You're doing powercleans, right? Take them out and put in barbell rows. Keep dips to Friday imo. Don't start adding things to Wed cuz it's light day. Keep assistance stuff...triceps/biceps to Friday giving you the weekend in between. |
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10-07-2006, 04:56 AM
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Gender:  | If it's bodyweight pullups, you can do them a hundred times a day without overtraining. Shit, in the 3 months of Marine Corps boot camp, we did them within 5 minutes of waking up, after each meal, and again before bed. They started us with a pyramid, basically doing 1 pullup, 2, 3, 4, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...Then adding another set every few days. Sometimes we'd eat twice a day and still never overtrained. I'll point out again that it's a "bodybuilder's mentality" to worry about overtraining in regards to volume, recovery, or a little lactic acid in the middle of your set.  BUT, if you think you can do WEIGHTED pullups sprinkled 5 days a week into your Bill Starr's power routine, your joints will ache like none other!! |
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