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--Jwoods-- · 02-11-2008, 04:49 PM

I talked to a guywho use to lift in the 80's( Nice guy) he said to try this...

No matter what your doing, find out what you can lift ..

20 times/reps
then 4 times/reps (most you can lift 4 times)
then 4 times/reps (like above)
then 10 times/reps (of something you can only do ten times)
then 10 times/reps (of something you can only do ten times)

This works very well...As used something similar when he was BB

Kane · 02-11-2008, 04:53 PM

Pitysister · 02-11-2008, 05:02 PM

seems like a waste of time.

--Jwoods-- · 02-13-2008, 05:27 AM

call Arnold Schwartzenager...he came up with it i beleive

Kane · 02-13-2008, 05:52 AM

Regardless of who came up with it...its rediculous advice to give to the OP.

widdoes2504 · 02-13-2008, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by --Jwoods--

I talked to a guywho use to lift in the 80's( Nice guy) he said to try this...

No matter what your doing, find out what you can lift ..

20 times/reps
then 4 times/reps (most you can lift 4 times)
then 4 times/reps (like above)
then 10 times/reps (of something you can only do ten times)
then 10 times/reps (of something you can only do ten times)

This works very well...As used something similar when he was BB

This is a waste of time and energy better used doing something productive.

EricT · 02-13-2008, 07:37 AM

What is it, exactly, about all that that sets you guys off so much?

Is it low reps followed by high reps? Or is the sense that it is all done to failure, basically two heavy max sets followed by two lighter max sets? Is it that it was advised to a beginner? Is it because you feel it would be better to use all the same rep ranges? Or that a person would burn out doing 4 rep maxes all the time (true)? Any other reasons?

I'd really like to know

widdoes2504 · 02-13-2008, 07:53 AM

For me, there are 2 things mainly that I do not like. One, doing 4 rep maxes all the time will eventually lead to burnout and two, recommending this to a beginner because often (not all the time) a beginner does not have enough knowledge about what their body can handle in order to grow or respond. I think a beginner following this advice could more rapidly burn themselves out and be totally discouraged with lifting in general.

EricT · 02-13-2008, 08:03 AM

Gotcha. I agree. That's what I thought you'd say.

I personally wouldn't find the exact setup very useful but for the right person similar things can be very useful. Especially for the more advanced given some change in parameters. A piece of advise, though, is only as good as it's relevance to the person you're giving it too.

Pitysister · 02-13-2008, 02:52 PM

agreed with widdoes...just seems really advanced to have a newb doing it.

plus a lot of work switching plates that many times for one exercise...for me...loading the bar...pushing/pulling it has worked really good...and i'll stick with that till it doesn't.

02-11-2008, 04:53 PM	#12 (permalink)
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02-11-2008, 05:02 PM	#13 (permalink)
Pitysister Rank: Middleweight Experience: 1-2 Years Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Midwest Posts: 2,465 Country: Gender:	seems like a waste of time.
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02-13-2008, 05:52 AM	#15 (permalink)
Kane Rank: Lightweight Experience: 3-5 Years Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,590 Country: Gender:	Regardless of who came up with it...its rediculous advice to give to the OP.
	Kane's Sig:Bench:275 [1x1] Deadlift:365 [1x3] A2G Squat:275 [1x3] "Shut up and squat!" "NO, this is my squat rack. Go get your own!"

02-13-2008, 07:37 AM	#17 (permalink)
EricT Moderator Rank: Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,835 Country: Gender:	What is it, exactly, about all that that sets you guys off so much? Is it low reps followed by high reps? Or is the sense that it is all done to failure, basically two heavy max sets followed by two lighter max sets? Is it that it was advised to a beginner? Is it because you feel it would be better to use all the same rep ranges? Or that a person would burn out doing 4 rep maxes all the time (true)? Any other reasons? I'd really like to know
	EricT's Sig:I'm tired of the myth that bb'rs aren't flexible. As a group, they are extremely flexible. They have an amazing ability to bend over, place their heads between their legs, and blow smoke up their own asses.

02-13-2008, 07:53 AM	#18 (permalink)
widdoes2504 Rank: Lightweight Experience: 10+ Years Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 1,267 Country: Gender:	For me, there are 2 things mainly that I do not like. One, doing 4 rep maxes all the time will eventually lead to burnout and two, recommending this to a beginner because often (not all the time) a beginner does not have enough knowledge about what their body can handle in order to grow or respond. I think a beginner following this advice could more rapidly burn themselves out and be totally discouraged with lifting in general.
	widdoes2504's Sig:Height: 6 foot Weight: 240 pounds Bench: 415 (1x1) Deads: 565 (1x1) A2G Squat: 425 (1x1) Cardio sucks

02-11-2008, 04:49 PM	#11 (permalink)
--Jwoods-- Rank: New Member Experience: > 1 Year Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Baltimore Posts: 6 Country: Gender:	I talked to a guywho use to lift in the 80's( Nice guy) he said to try this... No matter what your doing, find out what you can lift .. 20 times/reps then 4 times/reps (most you can lift 4 times) then 4 times/reps (like above) then 10 times/reps (of something you can only do ten times) then 10 times/reps (of something you can only do ten times) This works very well...As used something similar when he was BB

02-13-2008, 05:27 AM	#14 (permalink)
--Jwoods-- Rank: New Member Experience: > 1 Year Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Baltimore Posts: 6 Country: Gender:	call Arnold Schwartzenager...he came up with it i beleive

02-13-2008, 08:03 AM	#19 (permalink)
EricT Moderator Rank: Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,835 Country: Gender:	Gotcha. I agree. That's what I thought you'd say. I personally wouldn't find the exact setup very useful but for the right person similar things can be very useful. Especially for the more advanced given some change in parameters. A piece of advise, though, is only as good as it's relevance to the person you're giving it too.
	EricT's Sig:I'm tired of the myth that bb'rs aren't flexible. As a group, they are extremely flexible. They have an amazing ability to bend over, place their heads between their legs, and blow smoke up their own asses.

02-13-2008, 02:52 PM	#20 (permalink)
Pitysister Rank: Middleweight Experience: 1-2 Years Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Midwest Posts: 2,465 Country: Gender:	agreed with widdoes...just seems really advanced to have a newb doing it. plus a lot of work switching plates that many times for one exercise...for me...loading the bar...pushing/pulling it has worked really good...and i'll stick with that till it doesn't.
	Pitysister's Sig:Born the travesty of man Regular pulse midst pandemonium You're plucked to the mass Parched with thirst for the wicked -You clearly don't know shit about fuck - Kane Dog

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