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08-12-2006, 07:47 PM
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 There are no easy simple magic answeres and we have very little to go on. I pointed you in the direction you needed to go before. I also made one very specific recommendation. I don't know how much protein you are taking in or anything else. I can't do the work for you you have to figure it out and make adjustments for yourself. Your old enough not to be led by the hand but here: http://www.bodybuilding.net/nutrition-forum/how-to-bulk-1159.html http://www.bodybuilding.net/nutrition-forum/pre-workout-nutrition-1442.html http://www.bodybuilding.net/nutrition-forum/what-is-the-glycemic-index-1339.html The one other recommendation I would make is to pin down your macronutrient ratios similar to if you were cutting but just eating more of them. Probably starting with a pretty standard 40/40/20 split. Some people can eat everything in site and as long as they get enough calories and specifically enough protein to build the muscle, they're fine. Some people have to be more strict. | |
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08-13-2006, 08:31 AM
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08-13-2006, 09:33 AM
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Gender: | Yes. People have different opinions on it. But the prevailing opinion is that milk is gonna slow down gastric emptying a great deal...the casein curdles in the stomach after all. The reason you can get away with all those high GI carbs (malto is high GI too) is becaused after your workout for a short time your muscles are primed to take on nutrients and are more insulin senstitive. But you need to get everything through the stomach and absorbed as quickly as possible to take advantage of that window of oppurtunity. So either you want a big dilute shake IN WATER with all your whey and carbs or you can take your carbs first with water and the your whey second. Either way you don't want slow digesting proteins and you don't want fat. You slow down digestion too much and you can end up dumping all that sugar into your bloodstream after it's too late for you muscle to have priority...you get a huge insulin spike at that time and you can guess what happens. PLUS milk causes it's own insulin spike later on INDEPENDENT of it's sugar content. I don't think that's a good recipe. Is that what's causing your fat gain? I don't know. But it could be adding to it. As far as the amount of carbs in that shake I think you're on the right track but a good idea is to go by how you feel. You should be re-energized somewhat or at least maintain your energy levels. If 45 minutes to an hour later you feel an irresistable need to sleep or feel sluggish and weak...that may be a clue to cut back on the carbs. Personally I think a pretty good rule of thumb is about .5 gram of carbs for every pound of LEAN body weight. |
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08-14-2006, 04:38 AM
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| What's the carb element in my PWO? Plus, I tried my PWO shake yesterday with water, it felt lighter. You think I should give it a try? Plus, you think that's the only reason? I need some solid pin-pointing here so I can make the necessary changes. |
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08-26-2006, 04:58 AM
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| I'm off from college so my breakfast is pretty much my pre-workout meal. Does this look fine? BREAKFAST 4 whole eggs, fried 2 glasses of skimmed milk 1 cup oatmeal with ON 100% Whey Protein My breakfast should be an hour before my workout right? |
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08-26-2006, 06:13 PM
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Gender: | One of the most obvious things to consider is your own stomach and what is convenient for you. I have a slow stomach and slow digestion in general so if I only waited 20 minutes after a meal like that and then had to do heavy squats or something I'd probably puke and would definitely cramp up. Puking is very catabolic btw...regardless, in general after a slow digesting meal like that it is probably better to wait at least 45 minutes. Now, anything that doesn't allow you to eat as much as possible is out... Having said that: digestion takes energy..and blood. Having a heavy meal in your stomach could negatively impact your performance and I would also say that anything that negatively impacts your performance is a bad thing. The primary thing that affects gastric emptying is nutrient density...that is a nutrient dense meal. The nutrients from a meal like this may not be available for quite a while maybe more than two hours...making for a potentially more catabolic state than waiting longer after breakfast. Optimally, imo, for a good pre-workout condition while bulking you need more emphasis on carbs. Obviously the more carbs you've been able to take in during the day the less importang they may become preworkout but since your working out in the morning and you're bulking you want to avoid a depleted state. So, if you can wait an hour after breakfast then do so but also incorporate a preworkout shake about 15 minutes before you hit the gym. If you can't wait then having a big breakfast is a more important consideration then all of the above. You're doing a post workout and I would stick with the 1:2 ration protein to carbs but post workout meals have been largely overemphased when pre-workout is potentially more important. Last edited by EricT; 08-26-2006 at 07:00 PM. |
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