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EricT · 03-31-2008, 02:02 PM

That's a great idea, but learing the lifts and getting more effiecient is not about working 100% of what you can. Heavy and correct just don't mix. IMHO, there is more to form than just THINKING about it, but I do realize that that is the message people are sent by common advise. But the general idea is there!

nickysoprano · 03-31-2008, 02:04 PM

i am trying to do the search that kane recommended for Rippetoe's Starting Strength however i cant seem to find anything that tells me what it is and what i should be doing to do it. can anyone give me a link to somewhere i can find this program to follow. also some people have mentioned you can buy a book on it. i have just done a search on amazon.co.uk however not on there. is there somewhere that someone can recommend i can buy it from (i live in the uk if that makes a difference)

Also does anyone rate Stuart McRoberts brawn/beyond brawn methods of training out of curiosity as i have just finished reading all of them but no where can i find any real info nor pictures of the author and i wanted to see if he practices what he preaches in his books.

Kane · 03-31-2008, 02:04 PM

Don't bother finding maxes. I would not suggest that. Your precious time will be wasted once you've injured yourself. You don't want 'maximum intensity' (for this routine that is somewhat of an idiom, you won't be generating maximum intensity from anything that is 5x5)

The best plan of attack for this kind of routine is patience lol. Start off slow with a light and manageable weight and add small increments. The whole key to rippetoe's program is the linear progression. You don't want to be struggling at week 2, which means you need to stop and think whether your muscles or your ego is loading the bar (so to speak). DO NOT use an aggressive style of progression on this. Keep the weights lower and work through the program properly and you'll see results.

EDIT: I wrote this up before Eric came, so I didn't see his post. (When I said quality over quantity it was a general statement since the OP mentioned how the program looked short

(which to me means he thought more volume was needed))

nickysoprano · 03-31-2008, 02:07 PM

so would you recommend that i lift lighter and have tight form then over time just keep adding small amounts of weight to the bar so that its not a dramatic increase all of a sudden?

EricT · 03-31-2008, 02:08 PM

I'm quite sure that McRoberts practices what he preaches but it doesn't really matter. What matters is the results you get using his methods. If you had a guy who told you to do one thing, while he himself did another, that would seem like bs, and it would be, but so what as long as your were reaching your goals. AND a lot of great coaches have a hard time coaching themselves.

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so would you recommend that i lift lighter and have tight form then over time just keep adding small amounts of weight to the bar so that its not a dramatic increase all of a sudden?

That's pretty much the name of the game.

nickysoprano · 03-31-2008, 02:10 PM

sorry kane youve pretty much answered what i was just posting before i posted it you must have read my mind! lol :-) i get what your saying i need to basically just start off if anything slightly lighter and then just add small bits to the bar (i suppose this makes sense it means that my strength is always increasing without having to constantly try to sit at my all out all the time) and based on your advice i am going to now scrap my plans to continue trying to find my 1 rep max's

Kane · 03-31-2008, 02:10 PM

It doesn't matter what you lift, its how you lift it. IMO form is much more important than the weight on the bar.

You can start increasing the weight right away (after the first week), but if you start out lighter a 5-10lb increase every week will probably not be a problem. Make sure you know the lifts and the correct form (not the internet form lol) befroe you start doing them at any kind of heavier weight.

nickysoprano · 03-31-2008, 02:12 PM

When you put it like that Eric your spot on. Simple.

Kane · 03-31-2008, 02:13 PM

Here's a journal you can look at:

http://www.bodybuilding.net/personal...light=rippetoe

I'm pretty sure Pity is doing Ripp's right now :S

nickysoprano · 03-31-2008, 02:18 PM

yeah i think the thing i have learnt tonight from you guys is i just need to focus on my form and make sure im actually lifting and lowering the weights rather than using momentum to shift them.

i have a question that might get some various responses.

people say that you should change your excercises that you are doing often to "shock" your body into carrying on changing and to catch it off guard to continue growing. but surely if you are slowly increasing your weights in small steps steadily over time then you are following the principle of progressive overload therefore your body shouldnt really ever get used to it as the load is changing overtime therefore the excercise choice shouldnt necessarily have to should it?

03-31-2008, 02:02 PM	#11 (permalink)
EricT Moderator Rank: Heavyweight Experience: 7-10 Years Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,835 Country: Gender:	That's a great idea, but learing the lifts and getting more effiecient is not about working 100% of what you can. Heavy and correct just don't mix. IMHO, there is more to form than just THINKING about it, but I do realize that that is the message people are sent by common advise. But the general idea is there!
	EricT's Sig:I'm tired of the myth that bb'rs aren't flexible. As a group, they are extremely flexible. They have an amazing ability to bend over, place their heads between their legs, and blow smoke up their own asses.

03-31-2008, 02:04 PM	#13 (permalink)
Kane Rank: Lightweight Experience: 3-5 Years Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,590 Country: Gender:	Don't bother finding maxes. I would not suggest that. Your precious time will be wasted once you've injured yourself. You don't want 'maximum intensity' (for this routine that is somewhat of an idiom, you won't be generating maximum intensity from anything that is 5x5) The best plan of attack for this kind of routine is patience lol. Start off slow with a light and manageable weight and add small increments. The whole key to rippetoe's program is the linear progression. You don't want to be struggling at week 2, which means you need to stop and think whether your muscles or your ego is loading the bar (so to speak). DO NOT use an aggressive style of progression on this. Keep the weights lower and work through the program properly and you'll see results. EDIT: I wrote this up before Eric came, so I didn't see his post. (When I said quality over quantity it was a general statement since the OP mentioned how the program looked short (which to me means he thought more volume was needed))
	Kane's Sig:Bench:275 [1x1] Deadlift:365 [1x3] A2G Squat:275 [1x3] "Shut up and squat!" "NO, this is my squat rack. Go get your own!"

03-31-2008, 02:10 PM	#17 (permalink)
Kane Rank: Lightweight Experience: 3-5 Years Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,590 Country: Gender:	It doesn't matter what you lift, its how you lift it. IMO form is much more important than the weight on the bar. You can start increasing the weight right away (after the first week), but if you start out lighter a 5-10lb increase every week will probably not be a problem. Make sure you know the lifts and the correct form (not the internet form lol) befroe you start doing them at any kind of heavier weight.
	Kane's Sig:Bench:275 [1x1] Deadlift:365 [1x3] A2G Squat:275 [1x3] "Shut up and squat!" "NO, this is my squat rack. Go get your own!"

03-31-2008, 02:13 PM	#19 (permalink)
Kane Rank: Lightweight Experience: 3-5 Years Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,590 Country: Gender:	Here's a journal you can look at: http://www.bodybuilding.net/personal...light=rippetoe I'm pretty sure Pity is doing Ripp's right now :S
	Kane's Sig:Bench:275 [1x1] Deadlift:365 [1x3] A2G Squat:275 [1x3] "Shut up and squat!" "NO, this is my squat rack. Go get your own!"

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03-31-2008, 02:04 PM	#12 (permalink)
nickysoprano Rank: Member Experience: > 1 Year Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: UK Posts: 95 Country: Gender:	i am trying to do the search that kane recommended for Rippetoe's Starting Strength however i cant seem to find anything that tells me what it is and what i should be doing to do it. can anyone give me a link to somewhere i can find this program to follow. also some people have mentioned you can buy a book on it. i have just done a search on amazon.co.uk however not on there. is there somewhere that someone can recommend i can buy it from (i live in the uk if that makes a difference) Also does anyone rate Stuart McRoberts brawn/beyond brawn methods of training out of curiosity as i have just finished reading all of them but no where can i find any real info nor pictures of the author and i wanted to see if he practices what he preaches in his books.

03-31-2008, 02:07 PM	#14 (permalink)
nickysoprano Rank: Member Experience: > 1 Year Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: UK Posts: 95 Country: Gender:	so would you recommend that i lift lighter and have tight form then over time just keep adding small amounts of weight to the bar so that its not a dramatic increase all of a sudden?

03-31-2008, 02:10 PM	#16 (permalink)
nickysoprano Rank: Member Experience: > 1 Year Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: UK Posts: 95 Country: Gender:	sorry kane youve pretty much answered what i was just posting before i posted it you must have read my mind! lol :-) i get what your saying i need to basically just start off if anything slightly lighter and then just add small bits to the bar (i suppose this makes sense it means that my strength is always increasing without having to constantly try to sit at my all out all the time) and based on your advice i am going to now scrap my plans to continue trying to find my 1 rep max's

03-31-2008, 02:12 PM	#18 (permalink)
nickysoprano Rank: Member Experience: > 1 Year Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: UK Posts: 95 Country: Gender:	When you put it like that Eric your spot on. Simple.

03-31-2008, 02:18 PM	#20 (permalink)
nickysoprano Rank: Member Experience: > 1 Year Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: UK Posts: 95 Country: Gender:	yeah i think the thing i have learnt tonight from you guys is i just need to focus on my form and make sure im actually lifting and lowering the weights rather than using momentum to shift them. i have a question that might get some various responses. people say that you should change your excercises that you are doing often to "shock" your body into carrying on changing and to catch it off guard to continue growing. but surely if you are slowly increasing your weights in small steps steadily over time then you are following the principle of progressive overload therefore your body shouldnt really ever get used to it as the load is changing overtime therefore the excercise choice shouldnt necessarily have to should it?

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