Need a training routine to give me mass!!!!

[nickysoprano]

thanks kane will check it out cheers for digging it out for me (i will get better at using the site promise!) :-p

[Kane]

Originally Posted by nickysoprano

i have a question that might get some various responses.

people say that you should change your excercises that you are doing often to "shock" your body into carrying on changing and to catch it off guard to continue growing. but surely if you are slowly increasing your weights in small steps steadily over time then you are following the principle of progressive overload therefore your body shouldnt really ever get used to it as the load is changing overtime therefore the excercise choice shouldnt necessarily have to should it?

IMHO the whole 'shock and confuse' tactic has been blown out of proportion. The P90X infomercial comes to mind . The way I think about it (and may be wrong lol) is in terms of movement and muscle contraction. If you take barbell rows and some sort of machine row, both have the same ROM and you're generating the same contraction with both...then what is the difference, to the muscle, between the two exercises? (Maybe those were bad examples, but hopefully you can see my thought process )

As far as exercise changing goes...It all depends on what you're doing and what stage you're at.

If you can keep progressing with the same exercise then why change? By the same token if you can't progress anymore or you need a break from that exercise, why not change? Maybe you need to throw in some variations, its based highly on the individuals needs and that timeframe.

[Pitysister]

Originally Posted by Kane

IMHO the whole 'shock and confuse' tactic has been blown out of proportion. The P90X infomercial comes to mind . The way I think about it (and may be wrong lol) is in terms of movement and muscle contraction. If you take barbell rows and some sort of machine row, both have the same ROM and you're generating the same contraction with both...then what is the difference, to the muscle, between the two exercises? (Maybe those were bad examples, but hopefully you can see my thought process )

As far as exercise changing goes...It all depends on what you're doing and what stage you're at.

If you can keep progressing with the same exercise then why change? By the same token if you can't progress anymore or you need a break from that exercise, why not change?
Maybe you need to throw in some variations, its based highly on the individuals needs and that timeframe.

i forced myself to watch that whole informercial one night and ended up choking myself unconscious.

[BG5150]

The Starting Strength website:

Starting Strength

Buy the book today. Even if you do not want to follow his routine, the information you get from reading about the physiology and mechanics of the lifts is worth the price of admission.

[widdoes2504]

Originally Posted by BG5150

The Starting Strength website:

Starting Strength

Buy the book today. Even if you do not want to follow his routine, the information you get from reading about the physiology and mechanics of the lifts is worth the price of admission.

Agreed

[nickysoprano]

im with you on that one guys the amount of books that i have bought and read i am a big beliver in the fact that you can never stop learning - my only thing is that the only site i can seem to order from (the one you guys directed me to) is an american site there doesnt seem to be any english sites that i can order from. I had a bad experience ordering from an american site before as my item didnt arrive and i had a nightmare trying to get something sorted out. have you guys bought from the site before can know its ok?

[BG5150]

Originally Posted by nickysoprano

im with you on that one guys the amount of books that i have bought and read i am a big beliver in the fact that you can never stop learning - my only thing is that the only site i can seem to order from (the one you guys directed me to) is an american site there doesnt seem to be any english sites that i can order from. I had a bad experience ordering from an american site before as my item didnt arrive and i had a nightmare trying to get something sorted out. have you guys bought from the site before can know its ok?

That's where I got mine.

It's also available on Amazon.

[EricT]

http://www.pullum-sports.co.uk/index...wCat&Submit=Go

This is a pretty cool site. Maybe you can get it from there.

[nickysoprano]

cool thanks for that guys am going to order a copy tonight :-)

have any of you guys read the book "scrawny to brawny"? if so what did you think of the training program in this book?

[nickysoprano]

there all done i have put my order in so i can get stuck into reading all the ins and outs of the starting strength routine im hoping that this will get me on the right track of building some muscle in the best way possible, cheers for your advice guys and i will let you know how i get on with my progress on this. i read that some people have gained upto 60 pounds of muscle in 6 months!! what kind of gains have you guys found on it if you have used it?

thankyou again to everyone for their help im sure you get fed up of us newbies probably asking the same things, its appreciated