Time to get it on!!!!!!

[Rangerluplow]

I have been lifting for about 8 years on and off. for the last 4 i was with the army rangers running 10-20 miles a week, so i did not really matter how much i lifted i was not really going to get big. But now im out and ready to get serious gtting big. I have been taking it light for about 2 weeks now and need some advice on what to do to get bigger. I eat nothing but healthy foods...lots of turkey, fish, and beef. I know my diet is good and my motivation to grow is will never be a question; so what supps should i take. I am taking my multi vits, cell mass, and plenty of whey. should i give some ph's a shot or should i wait. I am currently 22, 5'8", and 172lbs. I have some mass, but want to grow as much as i can as soon as i can without taking anything injectable. so any advice on supps would help. i was thinking about oxodrol?

[Scorcher2005]

Definately dont take oxodrol. It has some bad side effects. What training program are you on?

[Darkhorse]

for the last 4 i was with the army rangers running 10-20 miles a week, so i did not really matter how much i lifted i was not really going to get big.

I can relate!

I am taking my multi vits, cell mass, and plenty of whey. should i give some ph's a shot or should i wait. I am currently 22, 5'8", and 172lbs.

Here's the deal. Try going to fitday.com and let us know exactly how much protein/carbs/fats you're getting. Be completely honest because telling us e-numbers doesn't do you any good. Off hand, you should be at around 300-350 grams of protein and carbs, and about 75-100 grams of fat.

If you're nowhere close to those numbers, then your supplement list should include dextrose (postworkout), flax seed oil (fats), and fish oil (regardless).

Grocery list should include lots of oatmeal, brown rice, extra virgin olive oil, meat. LOL, I'm so broke blowing my wad on groceries that the only supplements I can afford are protein, dextrose, and creatine mono! Still, I'm gaining just as much as when I was taking CEE, waxy maize, ect. So supplements as a whole really don't matter IMHO.

[Rangerluplow]

my grocie list is good..lots of meat, fish, oatmeal, and potatoes. I have been doing 4 sets of 8 reps on every lift and at least 4 workouts per body part. I stick to the basics as far as workouts and types of lifts. I know my diet is good i dont really need any help with that; i just want some advice as far as supps if money is not really an a problem. I am really liking cell-mass and i have been hearing good things about oxodrol................I get plenty of protien.

[Scorcher2005]

Stop the cell mass. Its overpriced, overhyped creatine mono. Mix some bulk creatine mono with some grape juice and you'll have the same effect. Or you could even get some CEE. Like i said, dont bother with oxodrol. Its the same thing as superdrol and it has some bad side effects. 0311 can tell you all about those. Havoc by RPN is a great choice over oxodrol.

[Rangerluplow]

i get kinda bulky with reg cre-mono. I dont think cell mass is all that bad of a product. i like the gains i have made so far..but then again i have only tried cell-tech. thanks for the info.

[BG5150]

To get bigger, you need to ingest more calories you are expending. It's really a simple formula.

There is a stickie on here called "What a Bodybuilder Eats". Read that.

[BG5150]

...and remember, supplements are just that: they supplement your diet.

The only two I would consider crucial might be creatine (just plain ol' mono or CEE) and maybe a protein supplement (at 172#, you should be getting 200-250g a day).

[Scorcher2005]

Originally Posted by Rangerluplow

i get kinda bulky with reg cre-mono. I dont think cell mass is all that bad of a product. i like the gains i have made so far..but then again i have only tried cell-tech. thanks for the info.

At first, i thought you meant cell tech. But the same applies to cell mass. All it is is creatine with lots of sugar in it, plus lots of other crap to make it look all fancy, such as caffeine and arginine. All which you can buy in bulk for much less for much more quanity.

[CowboyMouth]

Originally Posted by 0311

I can relate!

Grocery list should include lots of oatmeal, brown rice, extra virgin olive oil, meat. LOL, I'm so broke blowing my wad on groceries that the only supplements I can afford are protein, dextrose, and creatine mono! Still, I'm gaining just as much as when I was taking CEE, waxy maize, ect. So supplements as a whole really don't matter IMHO.

This is very important. Nothing comes close in importance when trying to gain lean mass than diet. I'd even rank it ahead of training (but obviously you need both). Supplements are very overrated. Not surprisingly seeing that the business is a multi-billion dollar industry (including fat loss pills) and fueld by "nutrition" and bodybuilding magazines who are owned by the supplement companies.

You say you only eat healthy foods and that's great. But you want to maximize your results so you'll need to be as specific as possible. Using FitDay is a great idea. When you know exactly how many calories you are eating and your macro ratios (what percentage come from carbs/protein/fat) you are in a great position. Measure your results every week. When you're stop getting results for a few weeks - change something! Usually in your diet. It takes a calorie surplus to gain muscle. It doesn't matter how hard you work in the gym if you don't eat enough calories. Weight training gives the reason for the muscles to grow, but food is what gives it the means to do it.

Once you master the calories you need to master the quality of the calories. It sounds like you are already doing this. The simplest rule is the closer the food is to how it came in nature or from the animal the better. Avoid processed food and the like.

After nutrition is under control and you're eating slightly above maintance the next area you can tweak is your training. Simply, make sure you do something more every session than you did the week before. As you know, if you continue to do the same thing week in and week out you will never move forward. Also, avoid overtraining, but avoid undertraining as well. Train hard every session, but always keep it under an hour.

Finally, supplements can come last. At least 95% of your results are going to come from the food you eat and how smart/hard you train. It doesn't make since to concentrate on the last 5% when you're not maximizing the first 95%. But when you get to this point you can push yourself to a full 100% of your capability with supplements. The most important being whey protein. Whey (in water) is great PWO because of how quickly it reaches the muscle. PWO you are looking for fast protein. I'd also suggest taking BCAAs directly before and directly after working out. Finally, you can add creatine. Creatine seems to affect some people more than others.

Best of luck.