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Old 03-04-2008, 02:38 PM   #11
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This is my first post, but I have been working on my abs for a while now and i have a fairly ripped 6 pack, but i can't seem to get the V cut. My obliques poke out over my hips but it kinda seems to stop right there. Is there something i can do to make it show or is it just genetics? I do a lot of leg raises and reverse crunches and what not, but i was just wondering. Thanks for your help, and also --anyone have any tips on building nice ripped pecs?
out of curiosity, what are your stats right now?
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Old 03-04-2008, 03:12 PM   #12
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I think the reason ppl think that "clean bulking" is slower then a bulk/cut cycle is because the dietary control required to maintain a clean bulk at your peak of protein building capacity while not going over your calories required and going into the fat storage zone (or the opposite) is huge. The diet has to be much more strict for a proper clean bulk and many people are not capable of this. However, on the other ends of the spectrum, to bulk all you have to do is eat *alot* of protein and carbs and to cut all you have to do is eat alot of protein and keep overall calories below maintenance.

People can understand the basics of cutting and bulking and its not that hard to do but to properly "clean bulk" actually takes more planning then either of the above I would say. This is my oppinion as to why people tend to use the bulk/cut cycle.

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Old 03-04-2008, 04:07 PM   #13
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I think people do it just because they've been told it's how it is done. I think it also comes down to a misconception about what pro bodybuilder's want and "the rest of us" want.

Pro's want to look unnaturally shredded JUST the day of the show. And the things they have to do to get there are NOT simple by a long shot. The idea that people bulk up and allow themselves to get too much BF only to "cut" down to 8 or 10 percent bf percent? C'mon. Most of use want to look good all year around. My wife doesn't want to hear, "sorry hon, I'm bulking" most of the year. And if I was single it'd be even worse.

Depending on how you store fat 10% is pretty damn lean for most guys. And you can gain muscle real good at about 10 to 13% bf...maybe up a little more here and there. And even for those who don't store fat evenly they will notice a change in bf distribution over time so that basically you don't even see the difference between 10 and 13 or 14%. And yet you get any fatter than than and guess what, you still won't gain more than .25 to .5 pounds of actual muscle tissue per week anyway in ideal circumstances. All these regular guys claiming 10 pounds a week and all this shit it's bullshit and I ignore cause it is the fact that they are gaing fat mostly but can't see it. Some of it is glycogen storage as well of course.

This is one of the reasons why skinny guys are always claiming to have gained unbelievable amounts of muscle in a short time. It is really easy to find examples of this.

Look at this link:

http://www.hardgainerhelper.com/

YET ANOTHER example of one of my biggest pet peeves. The guy who wants to see you a book after training a population of ONE. Himself, lol.

But look at his before and NOW pictures. The illusion is he thinks that the weight is ALL lean muscle tissue. But it's not. Notwithstanding the fact that he looks like me at 12 years old with not training guidance whatsoever (ok, I looked much better) he sincerely thinks he gained 49 pounds of muscle. And the first 26 pounds in 89 days. No doubt he did gain 26 pounds but it wasn't all muscle.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Old 03-04-2008, 05:02 PM   #14
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what exactly do you mean by stats?
like i said, i'm new here
what all should i include
 
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Great advice Eric. I hate when people post two seperate journals.. One says, "the great cut", the other says, "time to pig out"..

I think people need to find what's acceptable and run with it. Anything less than 8% IMO isn't gonna be healthy, but that's just my opinion. The guys in the magazine's shredded to the bone look like that the day of the shoot, then within a week or two get back to normal.

I'm a bigtime advocate for a recomp lifestyle, especially for naturals or even guys like 90% of us here who aren't gonna be doing a show any time soon! People think bulking means to "pig out" drinking down gallons of whole milk and busting out sets of 10 per day of peanut butter and jelly's.

This topic equals OCD for bodybuilders. My question to anyone is why would they change their training program that's WORKING for another completely different one just because they want to lose some fat? Instead, why not start increasing a few extra days of cardio and start dropping a meal or two of carbs for veggies... Next thing you know, you continue gaining strength while slowly losing some lbs.. Oh oh, you're stuck again? Okay, now lets start easing back on your calories some more.. Now what? You start getting your ass kicked in the gym? Okay, use your brain. -> Lower the volume, or try having a refeed day..

What's the main idea? Well, if you want to retain your muscle and increase your strength, it isn't by chopping your cals in half, or move from a powerbuilding program to doing circuit training and sprints every other day lol. I'd be willing to bet most people probably don't keep very good track of their daily totals. How the hell are you gonna do anything if you aren't consistant with what and WHEN you eat?

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Great advice Eric. I hate when people post two seperate journals.. One says, "the great cut", the other says, "time to pig out"..

I think people need to find what's acceptable and run with it. Anything less than 8% IMO isn't gonna be healthy, but that's just my opinion. The guys in the magazine's shredded to the bone look like that the day of the shoot, then within a week or two get back to normal.

I'm a bigtime advocate for a recomp lifestyle, especially for naturals or even guys like 90% of us here who aren't gonna be doing a show any time soon! People think bulking means to "pig out" drinking down gallons of whole milk and busting out sets of 10 per day of peanut butter and jelly's.

This topic equals OCD for bodybuilders. My question to anyone is why would they change their training program that's WORKING for another completely different one just because they want to lose some fat? Instead, why not start increasing a few extra days of cardio and start dropping a meal or two of carbs for veggies... Next thing you know, you continue gaining strength while slowly losing some lbs.. Oh oh, you're stuck again? Okay, now lets start easing back on your calories some more.. Now what? You start getting your ass kicked in the gym? Okay, use your brain. -> Lower the volume, or try having a refeed day..

What's the main idea? Well, if you want to retain your muscle and increase your strength, it isn't by chopping your cals in half, or move from a powerbuilding program to doing circuit training and sprints every other day lol. I'd be willing to bet most people probably don't keep very good track of their daily totals. How the hell are you gonna do anything if you aren't consistant with what and WHEN you eat?

AGREED!!

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Old 03-05-2008, 04:55 PM   #18
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Weight- 173
Age- 17
Height- 5'10"
10% Body Fat

I started doing hanging leg raises with arm slings and its really getting my obliques and abs
 
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