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Old 07-30-2007, 06:31 AM   #21
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All great points Hrdgain81!

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I'm all for discussion, but my point is only this, if your too lazy to read the stickies, then why am I going out of my way?
Very true. But the good news is that with more and more people coming to the forum, they'll take the torch so to speak answering in the same well thought out manner you do. That way you won't have to bother.

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But honestly the only time I see stuff like that here is when newbies get attitude about people not tailoring them a diet and training routine after they have 4 posts.
Lol, absolutely with you here! But, it never hurts to try! I mean, I still get pm'd even though my sig clearly reads, "0-50 posts, don't pm me!".. I don't really fault anyone for trying. It only takes me about a second to delete it.

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Old 07-30-2007, 06:43 AM   #22
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Very true. But the good news is that with more and more people coming to the forum, they'll take the torch so to speak answering in the same well thought out manner you do. That way you won't have to bother.
yeah, its funny you mentioned passing the torch, I said something to that effect in a thread on pct by rangerplow. he commented that whenever he asks a question, I hook him up. I responded, once you have all this stuff down, then you can pay it forward and help others. Thats how we learn and grow here, and its nice to see people who have gone that route, like kane, anuj, and others.

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Old 07-30-2007, 06:46 AM   #23
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How about starting a "Beginners Only" Forum. A forum I go to a lot (not Bodybuilding or Weight Training) has a Beginners forum where newbies can go and feel free to ask any question they have without the "use search" answer they were starting to get.

I get a kick out of going there a couple of times a week and helping people out.

The other forums are then used by the more experienced posters and are a lot more detailed.

Also the experienced posters get a warning if they go into the Beginners forum and say stuff like "Read the Stickies dumbass".

They also started a "Politics Only" forum, even though it has nothing to do with the price of tea in china, to gid rid of people talking about politics in the general area.
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Old 07-30-2007, 06:51 AM   #24
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a newbie town forum sounds like a great idea brian, good call.
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Old 07-30-2007, 07:21 AM   #25
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I dislike the idea simply because of the kind of "caste" system it embodies. The idea that a "new" is not allowed to ask his worthless little question in the regular forums and has to go sit at the "kiddie" table....is that what we are all about. All's anyone has to do is take a little time to provide SOMETHING, just like you guys are saying before sending someone off to read things. And sometimes, it would be nice if we took the effort to give them reading examples that actually fit in with what they want to accomplish. That does NOT happen all of the time.

To me, it's a very simple thing, to those that have been a part of the problem, as I have surely at times, just admit it, move on and make the effort to do these things that have just been discussed.

You know there were many times in the past when I was new that I tried to give a detailed answer to a beginner question and someone else would come on and give a sort of arrogant sounding one liner like 'use the search' or just 'eat and lift weights...not only is that a worthless asnwer to an actual question it actually devalues the effort made by the other members. If someone is being diesrespectful and unappreciative of out time...they need to be called on it. But otherwise, if you don't wan't to take any time at all just move on.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Old 07-30-2007, 07:27 AM   #26
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The only thing I can't see with a beginners forum is that 90% of beginners think they're more experienced than they are.
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Old 07-30-2007, 07:29 AM   #27
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eh, its not really a caste system, I see it as a bigginer town, for those who are just getting started. You can sign up for the forum, and have plenty of experience (kinda like IK) and not even bother with it, or if you have little to no experience start out in the bigginer forum and get your feet wet. I dont think it should be manditory for a new member to post there, but if they feel more comfortable, then i think it would be nice to have an option of a flame free section.

Just my 2 cents

oh and eric ... nice double post newb lol
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Old 07-30-2007, 07:45 AM   #28
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Dude why should we need a flame free section? That was the point of the whole thread.

Look, I understand the point of it. But you can SAY all you want it's not a this or that. But words are cheap. Newbies should not feel like they have to post in a certain place to avoid getting flamed. We are supposed to be a community here. And is it really about them feeling more comfortable? Or about the more experienced not being bothered? Think about it, though, giving someone an option like that, and then saying, well, you don't have to post there unless you feel you need to, but, if you ask a "newbie" question elsewhere, you going to get jumped on....how's that for a welcome wagon. It's like segregation that's not "really" segregation becuse we "say" it's not.

And face it, most question are more or less beginning questions. The more experienced you get the less questions you have once you learn what works for you and what doesn't. LOL, I think only about 10% of the forum is highly indepth advanced discussion.
P.S. I'm just discussing. I care about the forum and what happens to it. It's not my own personal agenda or anything.
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I dont disagree, but I've seen it work on other forums. I really dont care much one way or the other, but whatever makes people feel more comfortable, and gets us more members, and expands our knowledge and discussion I'm all for. Whether a newbie forum will do that or not is obviously up for debate.

either way, I think we all understand the point of the thread, and what we are all here for. No worries eric!
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Yeah, I know.

But if you look at something you said about answering CEE questions as an example. No matter what, a question like that is never going to be finished answering for quite a long time. Heck, I'm discussing it right now in another thread. It may be answered in YOUR mind but for others it may be a topic that is still very much open for discussion. And in that sense it ain't a newbie question. Hell the more I read about stuff like that the less I know. And this comes down to some of the points I made at the beginning. Our answers to "begninning" questions are sometimes only the be all and end all in OUR minds.

And there is NOTHING I dislike more than the "veteran" who snubs his nose at other people discussing the things he thinks are beyond discussing.

The stickies, articles, our own beliefs and opinions, they are a snapshot. One of the biggest tests to how open someone is is if they are willing to rethink even those things they hold to be fundamental. I'm not saying anything will come of that or that we will necessarily need to change but NOTHING is beyond discussion and just because you and I think a question is closed doesn't mean many members don't think it's very much open. And I swear to this day things I thought I knew about basics are challenged by just those kinds of discussions.

My point is that these "beginning" questions really from the foundation for what we do. And if they can still stand to be discussed, thus meaning our foundation may not be as sturdy as we like to think, then the beginer question is pretty valuable no matter how hard it is to answer the same questions over and over.

I would like to see people encouraged to do searches and such before they ask a specific question though!
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