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MONSTAFACE 12-17-2007 11:48 AM

Beind strong opposed to having functional strength
 
This is an article i read that seems like it explains the title of this post really well. it also has a couple of other links to look at along the way.

http://www.athletes.com/fun/kelly8.htm

EricT 01-02-2008 02:02 PM

Finally got around to reading that, Monsta. KB is a smart guy but I'm not sure that he's on the mark with regards to functional strength. Functional strength, whether or not there is anything to "functional training, has to do with motor qualities. He hasn't really said anything about "function" in a broader sense. If you do bench press and get stronger than you have "functional" strength for that endeavor. Kind of a fancy way of saying that strength training is specific. But if you do explosive squats to get a better 800 meter sprint? Squats are not "functional" to sprinting. To your brain they are different things and it's about joints and a thousand other things, not just muscles. You would still have to sprint in order to train that function. So I'm not sure he is saying much there. I know he knows what he is talking about, I just don't think he is saying a whole lot in that article. I mean, it all came down to using different rep ranges. Kinda basic to all strength training.

The basic idea of "functional strength" has to do with the strength gains from "training" actually enhancing the movements or functions or whatever athletic or other activities you are engaged in. I think it's more about the way the brain runs the muscles than it is just about explosivity.

I understand the point about speed or explosivity being key, and that this would be considered "functional" for an athlete who needs it, but MOVEMENT, is specific. Doing a certain thing mostly makes you better at that thing. But saying that a certain strength quality is functional isn't the same thing as defining functional strength as a certain strength quality.

MONSTAFACE 01-03-2008 05:37 AM

i understand what you are saying. i dont agree with everythign he wrote but i kind of posted it just so people can get an idea of functional strength in general. you knwo how some guys say they want to get stronger so they go to the gym and get straight on the bench and thats all they do. no squats, no deads no military press.

i was hoping that posting that would lead to some people understanding that 3 sets on the bench and 10 minutes on the treadmill wont get you to be in incredible hulk.

it wasnt the best example but when i read it i was thinking it might help

EricT 01-04-2008 04:26 PM

Def..I agree. I'm not trying to criticize your posts. It's just a discussion thing. You're talking about balanced training. I'd call that "being strong as opposed to being hare-brained" :D

I'm not really saying he said anything that was incorrect anyway. Just incomplete. It would be like me saying speed work is strength training when if course it is only one possible aspect of it.

MONSTAFACE 01-05-2008 10:14 AM

lol i know you arent just gettign at my post. i think the more input the better when anythign is being discussed. just like your signature says "Open minds disagree. Closed minds disregard". so i think all that stuff is helpful

EricT 01-19-2008 04:04 PM

I love it when the pro's stop kissing each other's asses and say what they really think. Here see Michael Boyle take it to Charles Stahley...kind of :D

It's a thing on functional training.

http://www.michaelboyle.biz/joomla/d...ally_Is-V3.pdf

Jeffo 01-23-2008 08:47 AM

LOL!! Thanks for posting that.

Jeff

hrdgain81 01-23-2008 09:51 AM

Interesting article eric, I agree with him on many points, I always looked at functional training as "useful" or as "purpose driven" sort of like what the article talks about.

EricT 01-24-2008 12:30 PM

Yeah, he kind of "wrote the book on it" but of course there are many other things, I'm sure, that could be said about it. Never wanna go with just one source. My biggest reason for posting it is the honesty of it :)

hrdgain81 01-24-2008 01:03 PM

word, I like how he talks about the stability ball training, and things like it. I look at these people in my gym, who have paid to get a trainer, and 99% are all doing the same thing, I see it day after day. the guy puts them on a s. ball, they do db press, or they stand on the half ball and do curls, or whatever. Then he has them hang upside down with grav boots and do cruches.

I feel bad for these people because they dont know any better, and they think they are getting functional training. If you stand on the half ball, and do curls with 15lbs, guess what your accomplishing ... your going to get amazingly good at ... wait for it .......... standing on the half ball, and curling 15lbs, congrats, thats hella usefull.


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