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Old 03-25-2006, 08:08 AM   #1
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hi.. i stumbled across this on intensemuscle the other day and thought it'd be nice to post it here...

actually, ur gonna laugh at some of the advice... not coz its bad... coz it ironical that I should post it...!

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"Control the freaking weights downward decent!

With heavy leg movements young, weak, starting out bodybuilders have no idea where you are going with this again. Your 225lb squat for 8 reps to failure means shit compared to where your going to end up in the long run. So you might be able to do 225lbs reach take 12-15 deep breathes and do 3-4 more and then rest/pause again and do 1-2 more. Do you think you are going to be able to that with 400-500lbs on your back with your knees wrapped tight with inzer wraps and doing everything in your power to stay in proper form so you donít get injured? This is why there are 2 sets for legs, a brutal 4-8 and then the widow maker (aka the man maker) set of 20 reps

Before you do your set of squats or dead lifts or leg press or whatever the brutal exercise is--strap up or wrap up and get in position--then look down at the ground and grit your teeth whisper/mutter this to yourself and believe it--"Im the baddest motherfucker in this gym, Im a goddamn human forklift, and I own this shit" and use the anxiety and fear you have to get really really freaking angry--but a controlled inner anger--donít be the "gym asshole" yelling for effect...if your right in front of a mirror (like you usually are in a power rack squatting or dead lifting) a split second before your ready to rock, quickly look for someone/group of people in the reflection that is near you that isnít exactly your favorite people/person in the gym, and convince yourself that those guys/guy think your going to get buried by this.........and think in your head "Im going to show you who the Brahma bull in this gym is"............................................. .. ............please come back on this thread and let me know how easy that set got

My methods arenít for the weekend quarterback and they sure arenít fir beginning lifters, they never have been and never will be. This is for hardcore bodybuilders ONLY.

Bodybuilding as a whole is about extremes and you must go to extreme lengths to be an out of ordinary bodybuilder in this activity. The human body in no way whets to be 270 to 330 lbs of extreme muscularity.

A lot of people ask me on how I come to conclusions on thingsÖa lot of all you can decide from what you see going on around you at gyms and from just watching people. You can sit there and study Medline all day long but until you have practical brain to think how it pertains to bodybuilding, youíre not going to get very far in applying it.

People want to get big so bad they think they have to do 20 sets per body part and 7 exercises per body part to leave no stone uncovered. And itís a natural thought. Hard work should equal results right? Yea it does in a smart planned out way.

Getting bummed out sometimes because I have trained so hard over the last 16 years and been so meticulous about not missing meals and everything pertaining to the sport and yet I cannot change the genetic limits granted me.

This is not for anyone that hasnít been lifting for at least 3 years. Can any 30 year old in this forum say to me that he is less hardcore and can drum up less intensity than he did when he was 18 years old? Because I can crank it out about 4 times as hard, and I know you guys can do.

Staticís, everyone freaks out about the staticís, am I doing them wrong? Am I doing them wrong? I REALLY COULD GIVE A SHIT IF YOU DO STATICS OR NOT, They, I repeat they are at least productive thing in all my, methods. They might mean 2% and thatís about it yet everyone on all these boards are freaking out about the staticís. IN CAPITAL LETTERS BECAUSE I WANT THIS TO GET THRU EVERONES HEAD, YOUR WEIGHT PROGRESSION (AND NOT THE STATICS AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU WORRY AND OVERANALIZE) THAT YOU USE IN TRAINING IS THE ULTIMATE DETERMININD FACTOR IN ALL THIS
I believe he who makes the greatest strength gains( in a controlled fashion) as a bodybuilder, makes the greatest muscle gains.

How many power lifters do you know? Now out of all those power lifters how many are not thickly muscled and dense?

Beating the logbook is the priority here staticís is nothing more then a very slight extension of your set and should take on no more importance then that.

Ninety-nine percent of bodybuilders are brainwashed that they must go for a blood pump and are striving for that effect( go up and down on your calves 500 times and tell me if your calves got an bigger) And those same 99% in a gym stay the same year after year. Itís because they have no plan, they go in, get a pump and leave. They give there body no reason to change.

You should be driving your ass to be the absolutely strongest bodybuilders that your genetics can allow.

On the other hand I have gotten a lot guys who have been lifting 5-10 years and would never know they lifted even once unless they made it a point to tell you about it (and many do lol) and Iíll tell you what the overanalyze, keep second guessing themselves, follow this routine this month and that routine the next, and flex magazine the third month. It all depends on what they happen to read that week. How the hell do you know hat worked if you switch it every dam month?

I have seen a lot and I mean a lot of people in the gym and on these internet forums that are a buck 65 or two and change, shouting that you donít have to lift heavy to get big

Grab a logbook, get an exercise rotation going, hammer an exercise into oblivion until you cannot get any stronger on it and then change up and go to a new exercise and do the same thing. Many people look at a machine like its candyass way to lift compared to free weights. I take a machine and manhandle it/destroy it. I training it until I beat the weight stack and then I chain a dumbbell to it and go as far up the dumbbell rack as I can go.


The absolute strongest you can make yourself in all exercises, coupled with food intake to eat your way up to the new musculature will allow you to hold the most muscle mass on your body that your genetics predetermine. You want to worry about something? Worry about the dam logbook. Worry about staying uninjured in your quest. Worry about not missing y meals. Worry about somehow someway making yourself the strongest bodybuilder you can become. Im not talking single here. Im talking 9-15 Rest/paused. A brute. A behemouth. A human forklift.

In simple terms you lift a weight and your muscle has one of 2 choices, either tear completely under the load( which is incredibly rare and what we donít want) or the muscle lifts the weight and protects itself by remolding and getting bigger to protect itself against the load next time.

This kind of training that I do and have people do is absolutely brutal. I donít understand how anyone can go to hell and back on leg training and then be able to go out and do sprints the next day.

Heavier weights are the only infinite thing you can do in your training.

You have to rember that skinny Billy who squats 135 benching 135 and dead lifting 135 is going to have somewhat of the same recovery as swolenow Billy 8 years down the road. Swolenow Billy needs a lot more time to recover from dead lifting 500lbs compared to when he was dead lifting 135.As you become more advanced in this sport and start hoisting and shoving around some big time poundageís you have to keep that in the back of your mind

Ronnie comeman is an elite class of muscle building genetically yet do you see him doing isolation excercises with light weight to be the most massive bodybuilder on the planet? Nope!


If I could count the number of bodybuilders in this world that are stuck in that 200-220lbs area it would be astronomical. And thet want so badly to be 250, 260 270lbs monstrousousity but almost every single one of them will be gaining that 2lbs this year, 2lbs next year and so on for the next 5 years from now weigh 212lbs. In my eyes if youíre a bodybuilder trying to put on muscle mass, you just wasted 5 growing years that youíll never get back.

No matter what methods someone uses to gain super strength gains its imperative that you do.

I get incredibly frustrated when someone comes to me and they eat in a day and they say they donít have much of an appetite and they think the problem to there lack of gains for the last 4 years is something wrong with their training of there drug stack. Simply put you canít take a 200lbs guy and make him 250lbs if he is eating like a 200lbs guy.

And so on for the next 5 years from now weigh 212lbs. In my eyes if youíre a bodybuilder trying to put on muscle mass, you just wasted 5 growing years that youíll never get back.

No matter what methods someone uses to gain super strength gains its imperative that you do.

I get incredibly frustrated when someone comes to me and they eat in a day and they say they donít have much of an appetite and they think the problem to there lack of gains for the last 4 years is something wrong with their training of there drug stack. Simply put you canít take a 200lbs guy and make him 250lbs if he is eating like a 200lbs guy.

I donít know why pseudo experts try to make training such an elite science when in actuality itís pretty cut and dry. If you keep a training log and note weights used for the next 5 years and fined they are still the same you will pretty much look the same in 5 years. If you double all your poundageís in the next 5 years in everything, youíre going to be one thick person

Do you want to be one of those guys 10 years from now that are still the normal guy in the gym? The same guys year after year that looks the same? Four years ago they were 192lbs and now they are 196lbs. personally I couldnít live with that. I couldnít do 156 workouts a year for one lbs of muscle thatís a waste of freaking time.

People get pissed if they think what they might be doing is wrong or not the most productive its human nature.

To accumulate enough muscle mass in the shortest time possible, what would be the fasted way? Most likely it is to get big, somewhat smooth and put the time in at the dinner table and the heavy weight. Whets the downside of that? You are no longer Joe club guy lean at 230lbs and getting the girls. You are now bloated, large, and heavy who makes your face change dramatically and suddenly those girls that thought god he is cute no longer look that way. Itís a huge descicin to make. And if someone is satisfies being a little bigger then the next guy at 200-230lbs and very lean more power to them. But if you think you are going to stay incredibly lean and make it up to 4.0lbs per inch of height level, unless you have unbelievable genetics, or are black its not going to happen to the average guy."
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Old 03-25-2006, 08:57 AM   #2
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Im the baddest motherfucker in this gym, Im a goddamn human forklift, and I own this shit
That was my favourite part! I wanna go to the gym right now...fuckin off day lol
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ha ha....! ^^^

yeah man... that helped me a lot today.....
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Very motivating, thaks for the post.
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^^^ no problem slayer... it was meant for ppl like us who'r not very experienced with training.. no offence... glad u liked it...
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What's so motivating about boasts? Numbers progression speaks much louder! You can talk and talk about how you "own" and I can still come into the gym, never open my mouth, and hand you your ass!

OOPs, now I'm doing it!

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Here's one he made that makes me want to jump in a timemachine and go back in time and elliminate flat barbell from my training!...In case anyone's wondering, it's bruised as hell and I got a second degree muscle tear. It's actually not that bad at all....Just picture tearing a few muscle fibers just forward of your left arm pit. I've got full rom now!

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I have hit on this subject so many times now--ill just put it like this. There is no other exercise that has ended more weight lifting careers IMO than this one. Regardless of that fact for some people it does incredible things. So I draw a middle road here. WHAT DO YOU PERSONALLY WANT TO DO? Is it such a beneficial exercise for you that your willing to take the risk of possible tearing the pec muscle and disfiguring yourself for life? (unlike tearing the pec tendon where you can make a pretty good recovery but will still take you out of your game for 6-12 months). So I try to compromise and keep people safe by saying "train with or have a powerlifter teach you how to do the exercise correctly and safely-which isnt the iron cross method every gym joe rat uses but rather the elbows angling downward and chest really high method"--with that try to keep in a 20-30rp rep range if possible, 10+6+4 will get the job done and hopefully keep injury at bay.
What pissed me off once was some guy was rest pausing bench presses on another site in the 11-15 range and really hurt his shoulder bad. Now any other type of training he would of done he would of said "Man I screwed up my shoulder royally bench pressing, this sucks"---Can you guess what his thread title was? "INJURED USING DC TRAINING"...and his post was along the lines of "any of you other bro's get injured doing DC training?" .....No you got injured doing the flat barbell bench press. And I say that to anyone here. You can do what you want exercise wise but if you tear your pec, guess what? YOU and only you made that choice to use flat BB press. You might get 2 inches of thickness and no pec tears or torn rotator cuffs from the exercise. More power to you. Or you might end up with a look in your left pec that visually is like someone took a shovel and took a huge chunk out of it if you tear it. Either way remember you weighed the benefit to risk and you alone made your choice and I hope it works out for you

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Here's another Dante quote that I have saved on my computer. I have his whole "Cycle for Pennies" saved, but I know he took all that down. I do not believe this was a part of the Pennies thread, and for that reason I'm posting. Otherwise, in respect to his wishes, it'll stay on my desktop for my viewing pleasure. Sorry guys!

Bodybuilding as a whole is extreme and you must go to extreme lengths to be an out of the ordinary bodybuilder in this activity. The human body in no way wants to be 270 to 330 lbs of extreme muscularity. It wants to be a comfortable 155 to 180 lbs and will do a lot to keep a person at that homeostasis level. Jon Parillo was on the right track years ago when he was trying to make bodybuilders into food processing factories. It takes extreme amounts of food (protein), extremely heavy weights, sometimes extreme supplementation, (the choice) of extreme drugs, and other extreme situations to take a person who by evolution and genetics should be 180 pounds and make him into a hardcore 3 hundred pounds. OK first I have to go over some principles I believe in regarding training and Iíll hit more on training details later on.

a) I believe he who makes the greatest strength gains (in a controlled fashion) as a bodybuilder, makes the greatest muscle gains. Note: I said strength gains--everyone knows someone naturally strong who can bench 400 yet isn't that big. Going from a beginning 375 bench to 400 isn't that great of a strength gain and wonít result in much of a muscle gain. But if I show you someone who went from 150 to 400 on a bench press, that guy will have about 2.5 inches more of muscle thickness on his pecs. That is an incredible strength gain and will equal out into an incredible muscle gain. Ninety-nine percent of bodybuilders are brainwashed that they must go for a blood pump and are striving for that effect--(go up and down on your calves 500 times and tell me if your calves got any bigger). And those same 99% in a gym stay the same year after year. It's because they have no plan, they go in, get a pump and leave. They give the body no reason to change. Powerbodybuilders and powerlifters plan to continually get stronger and stronger on key movements. The body protects itself from ever increasing loads by getting muscularly bigger=adaption. IíM going to repeat this and hammer it home because of its importance: THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE GREATEST STRENGTH GAINS OVER TIME WILL MAKE THE GREATEST SIZE GAINS OVER TIME ACCORDING TO THEIR GENETIC POTENTIAL. If you reading this never get anywhere close to your ultimate strength levels (AT WHATEVER REP RANGE) you will never get to your utmost level of potential size.

I haven't seen a guy who can squat 500 for 20 reps, bench press 500 for 15 and deadlift 500 for 15 who was small yet ---but I have seen a lot and I mean a lot of people in the gym and on these Internet forums that are a buck 65 or two and change, shouting that you don't have to lift heavy to get big (in rare cases you will see a naturally strong powerlifter who has to curb calories to stay in a weight class and that is the reason he doesn't get bigger).

c) Training is all about adaption. In simple terms you lift a weight and your muscle has one of 2 choices, either tear completely under the load (which is incredibly rare and what we don't want) or the muscle lifts the weight and protects itself by remodeling and getting bigger to protect itself against the load (next time). If the weight gets heavier, the muscle has to again remodel and get bigger again to handle it. You can superset, superslow, giant set, pre exhaust all day long but the infinite adaption is load---meaning heavier and heavier weights is the only infinite thing you can do in your training. Intensity is finite. Volume is finite (or infinite if you want to do 9000 sets per bodypart)...everything else is finite. The Load is infinite and heavier and heavier weights used (I DON'T GIVE A CRAP WHAT SOME BUCK 58 POUND WRITER FROM FLEX MAGAZINE SAYS) will make the biggest bodybuilder (add high protein, glutamine and drugs to the mix and you have one large person).

d) The largest pro bodybuilders in the last 10 years (outside of Paul Dillett who is a genetic alien and I think could grow off of mowing lawns) are also the very strongest (Kovacs, Prince, Coleman, Yates, Francois, Nasser (although he trains lighter now). For anyone who argues that they have seen so and so pro bodybuilder and he trains light---well I will bet you he isn't gaining rapid size anymore and that his greatest size increases were when he was training shit heavy going for his pro card. Of course he will convince himself and others that he is "making the best gains of his career" though because no one likes to think what they are presently doing isn't working and they are running in place. Sadly heavy drug use can make up for a lot of training fallacies and leave people still uninformed on how they became massive. Ronnie Coleman is definitely in an elite class of muscle building genetically yet do you see him doing isolation exercises with light weights to be the most massive bodybuilder on this planet? NOPE! Ever see his video? 805 deadlifts for 2 reps, 765 for 6 reps deads, front squats with 600LBS for 6, 200LB dumbbells being thrown all over the place for chest, military presses 315 for 12 and a double with 405. I believe Coleman was clean or close to it when he was powerlifting and when he was an amateur bodybuilder. He won the Natural Team Universe and got his pro card at roughly 220-230LBS shredded to the bone and if that was natural or close to it--that's about 270LBS offseason and would be a huge natural bodybuilder. Since that time he has hooked up with Chad Nichols and blasted (with juice) up to his current 265LBS contest weight and 320LBS offseason. He trains heavier now than he ever did! The man has used extremely heavy weights and powerlifting fundamentals (even with his superior genetics for muscle size) to become the most impressive bodybuilder walking the globe. Well, if the man with some of the best genetics to build muscle out there is using back breaking weights trying to get bigger isn't that more of a reason the mere mortals of genetics in this sport should maybe take note? There are other pros out there with genetics on par with Coleman and using the same amount of drugs yet aren't pushing the limits with poundage's in training as does Coleman. You figure it out then, why is he absolutely crushing everyone onstage by outmuscling them if all things besides training are equal?

e) Who is the last incredibly massive bodybuilder you have seen (juice or not) who couldn't incline 405, squat 550, deadlift 550. I am talking freak-massive ALA Dorian, Kovacs, Francois, etc.....there are slew of guys in gyms using mega amounts of steroids on par with pros who are no where close to a pro's size, some with mediocre genetics, yet some with superb genetics. But the pro's using weights that are up there in the stratosphere are by and large the most freakish. These are pros we are talking about, who all have superior genetics for muscle accumulation. Do you think Yates, Francois, Cormier etc all just had natural genetics for incredible strength, not ever having to work for it? Jean Paul Guilliame is the only clean professional bodybuilder I ever trusted to be truly natural. The man is a smaller pro training without the juice yet trains incredibly heavy for his size--405LB squats rock bottom for up to 20 reps and his wheels are incredible. Flex Wheeler and Cris Cormier were the same height, the drugs are equal, Flex trained light, Cormier trains heavy. Cormier outweighs Wheeler onstage by 30LBS! Genetically, Wheeler is unsurpassed in pro bodybuilding, I think you already know the answer to this one--case closed. I usually don't like to use pro bodybuilders for examples but in these cases, my points are proven.
For those training clean-if you got guys doing massive amounts of steroids in gyms around America, who are not putting on appreciable size because they train with light weights, what in your right mind could make you think you will gain appreciable amounts of muscle mass as a natural training light?!?! One million people in the United States have admitted to using steroids--1 million!!! That is one out of every 300 people walking around. How many big people do you see out there? Not many. It sure isn't close to 1 million---- because 98% of bodybuilders have no clue what needs to be done training and eating wise to become elite.

f) Please think of the times when you made the best size gains---the first time is in the first 2 years of lifting WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR BEST STRENGTH GAINS TOO! Then things start to slow down.. What's the next time?--You start using steroids and boom what happens? YOUR TRAINING WEIGHTS GO FLYING UP. And you get dramatically bigger! (IíM taking into effect protein assimilation, recovery etc also). The greatest strength gains you make will result in also the most rapid size gains (if youíre taking in the protein requirements of a 12 year old girl scout then you can discount yourself from the above group).

g) I believe in Powerbuilding not bodybuilding--using techniques that build the most strength gains in the fastest time possible while using the most effective exercises for that person. I am positive I could take 2 twins--have the first one do his own thing training wise, but using the same drugs, supplements and nutrition as the twin I train......come back a year later and the twin I trained would have 25LBS more muscle.
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oh and if you guys want some motivation, I got something i'm working on you might like. It isnt quite complete yet, but it will be an interesting read when i'm finished i assure you.

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He's a 300 lb. beast who created doggcrapp training. He currently trains Dave Henry (shown in pictures) as well as having an exceptional rate of success with the average trainees he takes on as well. This is something I've found about him...

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Dogg is presently training people online with daily emails to them and an A to Z approach with diet supplementation training and recovery. He is expensive but he wants to be because he doesn't want to train a lot of people at once (Four at once is his limit). His first client has been lifting for 3 years with limited success but in 7 weeks with Dogg has gone from 183lbs at 7.5% bodyfat to 205lbs at 7.7% bodyfat. At the end of 10 weeks he should be around 216lbs or so and onward. Dogg is also online training 2 superheavyweight national competitors who came to him to put on pro size muscle. They will make an even bigger splash than what they already have accomplished. His flat fee is 400 dollars for everything designed (diet, training, supplementation) and then constant emails to you for at least 2 months monitoring and adjusting your progress. He does a strict interview first to see if you have the makeup and mindset of the person he wants to train. He turns away people who he doesn't believe will go at it or listen to him 100 percent. If 400 dollars equals out to the 40-60lbs of muscle Dogg puts on people repeatedly to you-- then you can contact him at Doggcrapp@NOSPAMziplip.com (minus the nospam)
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