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Old 11-14-2007, 07:05 PM   #1
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Ok.......... I've been randomly crapping out in the middle of my deadlifts for the past two weeks. I'm supposed to be doing 5X5.

Last Wednesday, 300lbs... Did 4X5, got down to do the fifth set and couldn't even move the weight off the floor.

Today I started at 305, but it felt pretty light. So for the second and third sets I changed it to 315. Third set was tough, but not a problem. After finishing the third set, I was thinking about whether to do 320, 325, or 330 next week. Got down for the fourth set and couldn't budge the weight. Took a 45lb plate off each end and repped 225 8 times...easy, perfect form. Put the plates back on, waited two minutes....once again I couldn't budge 315.

I had been taking 3 minutes between sets. I just felt like I needed the time to recover...I don't want to get tired and fuck something up. My hips felt pretty tight today also... I did warm up sets of 135x5, 185x4, 225x3, 275x2.

Any idea as to what could be happening? Is there anything you guys recommend doing between sets so that this shit doesn't happen? It's really, really pissing me off.
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Old 11-14-2007, 08:13 PM   #2
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Today I started at 305, but it felt pretty light. So for the second and third sets I changed it to 315. Third set was tough, but not a problem. After finishing the third set, I was thinking about whether to do 320, 325, or 330 next week. Got down for the fourth set and couldn't budge the weight. Took a 45lb plate off each end and repped 225 8 times...easy, perfect form. Put the plates back on, waited two minutes....once again I couldn't budge 315.
I'm sure you know this but.... 5x5 means 5 sets of 5 reps of the SAME WEIGHT (unless your doing a pyramid scheme (1x5)). In the above quote you said you thought the weight seemed pretty light so you bumped it after the first set. You really should not be bumping the weight until you can complete 5 complete sets at that weight.

5x5 sets can be deceiving, because the first couple sets seems like you can do a lot more, but you really need to stick with the same weight for all the sets. That is the only way to know that you are ready to add weight and can really complete a 5x5 at your current weight.

Now if you can really complete a 5x5 at a certain weight but can't make any progress after adding a little weight then you can look at your options such as incorporating a deload or moving to 3x3 for a couple of weeks and then returning to 5x5.

The only real thing that will set you back in 5x5 training is getting ahead of yourself and not completing all the sets completely.
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I agree...I suppose I shouldn't have added the extra ten lbs. It's not an issue of weight though. During my third set, I could have pulled at least three more reps if I had wanted to. I'm confused about why I can do three sets without a problem and then I can't even complete the first rep of the next set.

I had planned on doing 315 during the workout, but the last time I did deadlifts it was very heavy. So I decided to do 305 for the first set to see how it felt. I haven't been doing deadlifts for very long, so I'm still figuring out the weight. Wouldn't one set at 305 and 4 heavy sets at 315 be better than 5 lighter sets a 305...especially if I can progress the following week at a heavier weight?
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^^ It really depends on the program your using, but if your deadlifting 300+ on a weekly basis, chances are your cns is going to become fatiqued very quickly. Some people can do it, I cant. When I was running the bill starr 5x5 I switched to every other week for deads, after about 4 or 5 weeks, and my numbers shot up by 10lbs or more every other week.

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Old 11-15-2007, 10:39 AM   #5
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During my third set, I could have pulled at least three more reps if I had wanted to. I'm confused about why I can do three sets without a problem and then I can't even complete the first rep of the next set.
As to this specific question I think it kind of falls under the 'shit happens' category. You said you took around 3 minutes? That's the minumum for maximum strength. It could be if you had skipped that lighter set of 8 and just rested up more you could have done it. You'll find a bunch of times that people will tend to fell weaker on the third or fourth set and then actually finish stronger. Or they will have these kinds of instances like you had...

I think it's just the interplay between fatigue and recovery. This happens not only through the week but during the work sets. It seems like many times during a rest period between sets, although you felt fine and strong, the "tiredness" catches up with you and all the sudden you are more fatigued than you are recovered. What I would have done is as soon as I discovered the weight wouldn't budge off the floor I'd rest for some additional time and then try again. BUT of course I am speaking in generalities and not ignoring what Sleazy and hrdgain have already mentioned.

It is much better to pick a certain loading increment and stick with that rather than going by how strong you feel and what you THINK will happen next time around. What I always say is to stop thinking of each workout as such a big deal and try to view things as a long string of workouts with a sustained progression or at least some type of plan, long term or short term (planned over-reaching). Lifting more weight during ONE workout is not as important as that sustained progression over a long string of workouts, especially since that additional weight, although it feels completely do-able can represent the straw that breaks the camels back (the camel is 'recovery').

The other thing between sets is to make sure you keep moving around a bit. Just pace around and stuff to keep the body moving. I'm sure you already do this but just in case....you definitely don't want to just stand there and for sure don't sit down unless it is to stretch a problematic area.

Deadlifts are not normally done with that much volume in this context. What with all the squatting and volume in general. It will not be sustainable very long if at all.

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Everyone who posted knows exactly what they are talking about and have givien you great advice. Like Eric said, if he would not have been able to pick up the weight he would just waited more time to start his set. I think that is the right way to go.

Pending me not getting an exertional headache, I have a certain amount of reps I plan to do and I finish them no matter how long it takes. Even if I get stuck and not finish a set, i just stop and get myself together and finish the reps so that set is complete.

You also have to start out with a weight that you feel as though you can at least come close to finishing. If you finish and you feel as though you could have done more............ do more the next week.


In my opinion more weight is does less for you if you cant complete the reps. If you stayed with that 305 the whole 5 sets that would be 1525 pounds lifted total. now that you went form 305 to 315 and only did 3 sets that was 935 pounds.

All in all to me its like picking a fight. Stay with the weight you can beat completely, then move on up.

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Thanks for all of the advice guys. I'll be going into next week's workout with a different attitude. I am going to do deads Wednesday just because I didn't finish them this week and wasn't that taxed. I think I'll skip them the following week...last week and the week before I felt like crap because I was tired from Wednesday till Sunday. I think I've been losing focus of what my goals should be...or how I should achieve those goals. Looking forward to hitting the weights tomorrow.

Finally got my BCAAs in the mail today. I've been anxiously waiting for those.
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