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Old 09-01-2006, 12:36 PM   #1
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not sure if i spelled that right, but i have a question about becoming lightheaded during training. it only happens on my leg days btw. my routine today (as usual) i woke up, drank some gaspari superpump 250, waiting 30 minutes, drank some wheyprotein 1scoop, and ate a "breakfast cookie" from quaker oats, 170 cal, 34g carbs, i waited another 20 minutes and then went to the gym, did squats, one legged squats (forgot what they called something hungarian maybe?) then calf raises and then some leg presses, at something like 70 percent of my max. then i did 15 minutes of hiit on the stair master, but i was feeling a lil light headed in the middle of my squats in the begining.. i just keep going cuz its normal for me to feel like that, and by the time i was walking home after the cardio i feel nigh throwing up status. which obviously cant be good. and i was wondering where im going wrong. am i just in real bad cardio shape? or am i not eating enough or waiting long enough after eating some carbs before hitting the gym? thanks.
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Old 09-01-2006, 01:41 PM   #2
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Was this happening before you started the gaspari product? It's got those arginine "vaso dilators" and that could certainly lead to a change in blood pressue -> light headedness. BTW, it's got around 40 ingredients and of the over 30 active ingredients you have no idea of the amount of each. One of those "proprietary blends" I just posted an article about. Sounds like an overpriced bullshit product.

You say faintness started in squats and squats can do that to some people. How long has this been going on?

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Old 09-01-2006, 02:20 PM   #3
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my friend was taking betagen, and he seemed to enjoy the results, and theres a lot of advertising for nos products... (cuz its good for cars it must be good for me ) anyways, i decided to give it a shot, researched one and thought gaspari sounded good. honestly i think id be better off taking a redbull an hour before workout instead of gaspari, although price wise they roughly the same i believe, either way i dont feel any stronger or more pumped than i did a couple years ago (when i was also on a steady workout regime, i fell off for a year or so, going sparingly if at all). but i wont be buying anymore gaspari or anything else like it, i have read that article about propriety blends , i think the most advantageous thing in gaspari is the caffein. rediculous. anyways the lightheaded ness isnt cuz of the gaspari, i almost have always got lightheaded when doing heavy squats. i never get lightheaded doing benchpresses or if im doing heavy cardio for long periods, which i have done in the past. not recently. i had asthma as a kid, it went away for the most part now that im older. i can run miles and get winded, or run up mountains, or go hiking and never get an asthma attack it only really affects me if i get sick. im not on any meds. cant think of anything else important to mention. thanks.
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Old 09-01-2006, 03:32 PM   #4
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Yeah, I'd venture to say it's a change in blood pressure cuz of the squats. I don't think it's sugar or anything otherwise it should happen on any intense activity I should think. But squats do affect some people that way.

You said "when doing heavy squats" and I also got the feeling that you just recently started back up on your workouts. So just maybe your going in too heavy (not necessarily for your muscles but for your body) and if you were to back off a good bit and work your way back up weightwise in steady increments your body may adapt.

The first thing to do is just use a much ligher weight and see if it happens.

Another thing to ask yourself is whether it is volume related. I.E. does it happen on the last few reps of an 8 rep set, or when, exactly? If so staying heavy with lower reps may work better and you could add volume slowly if it fits in with your goals. This also could give your body time to adapt.

So for that try some lower rep sets and see what happens.

Try altering the cadence. Give yourself a good pause at the top. Watch you breathing. If you're holding your breath that could be a problem. Can't think of anything else right now.

On the gaspari I agree that it's prob. a waste. The thing is there are certain ingredients that could be beneficial. Creatine for instance. But are they at the right dose? And when you see herbs thrown in with so many ingredients you again have to wonder about the dosage and also about the quality. It has ginseng, which is prob worthless, but good ginseng is WAY expensive all by itself. Also r. rosea, which may be good (I like it) but it's not cheap. Likewise acetyl-l-carnitine. When I look at the price and consider whether they could put all of the ingredients in there at good quality and at proper dosing I'd say it's impossible.
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Old 09-01-2006, 09:23 PM   #5
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good stuff, youve given me things to think about, ill just pay more attention next time, as i warm up with light weight and reps, and then ill try some heavy sets but low reps. im good at breathing correctly i dont think thats the problem , but ill pay extra attention to that as well. i have recently started again but that was 3 months ago, maybe has to do with my lack of cardio health. im startin to work on that now. thanks for the info its much appreciated.
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Old 09-02-2006, 08:26 AM   #6
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Sounds good. I think that is the way to go as duration of activity is the most likely culprit IMO.

BTW, do us a favor and separate your ideas into spaced paragraphs and use capital letters to start your sentences, as the way you're writing things it is difficult to read and decypher.

Some light reading.

From the International Federation of Sports Medicine:

Blood Pressure Response to Resistance Exercise

Though it remains a valid fact that blood pressure may reach extremely high values at certain types of resistance exercise, this cannot be considered as a general rule. Actual blood pressure response to strength exercise depends on following factors:

1. Exercise intensity (load or resistance used) There is a rather simple rule that blood pressure rises rather proportionally to the force exerted (Sale et al., 1993). The highest values are reached while applying maximal strength.

2. Muscle mass activated Though resistance exercise involving a small muscle group leads to a rather moderate response, activation large muscle groups while performing exercises like squat, leg press or dead lift is usually associated with more pronounced increase in blood pressure values (Benn et al., 1996).

3. Number of repetitions in a set at a given submaximal load, e.g. weightlifted, there is a steady increase in blood pressure with each subsequent repetition in a set (Sale et al., 1993). Its changes are usually closely related to the level of perceived exertion.

4. Type of exercise Blood pressure response tends to be higher during isometric as compared to dynamic forms of strength exercise (Mc Dougal et al., 1992). Lifting the weights elicits higher blood pressure than isokinetic exercise with the comparable force production (Kleinert et al. 1996, Sale et al., 1993).

5. Involvement of Valsalva maneuver Closing the glottis while contracting the expiratory chest and abdominal muscles in order to stabilize torso (necessary to provide support for the limb muscles especially during heavy lifts) substantially increases systemic blood pressure. Its increase is a prerequisite for moving the blood from heart to aorta and systemic arteries. Under such circumstances values exceeding 300 torr have been measured by invasive method in athletes performing heavy lifts (e.g. squat) with weights close to subject’s maximum. The same weight lifted without Valsalva maneuver elicited values by at least 100 torr lower (Narloch and Brandstetter, 1992). However, it should be noted that Valsalva maneuver activates also mechanisms, which can, at least in part, compensate potentially dangerous increase of blood pressure. It has been shown, the higher intra-thoracic pressure is transmitted through spinal nerve foramina into the cerebrospinal fluid in medullar space and cerebral chambers and further on also to cerebral tissues (Dickerman et al., 2000). Resulting force on external wall of arteries reduces mechanical stress due to increased intra-arterial blood pressure. However, though such compensation may be considered as a positive at lower intensities, extremely high values of intracranial and also intraocular pressure accompanying maximum strength effort remain a source of concern and should be avoided. If applied only for a short period of time, so that no serious impairment of venous blood return occurs, higher intra-thoracic pressure evoked by Valsalva maneuver exerts concordant “outside” force to...

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Given all that, I am fairly cetain that number 3 is the most important, and indeed this is just what a paper by the Journal of Exercise Physiology (online) concluded. This study was done on hack squat and legg press so it may seem different BUT their main purpose was to examine the effect of body position, where they found no difference. Squat may be a little different but IF your problem has to do with blood pressure response then it is most probably related to DURATION of exercise, and even 65% of max may be worse than 75....

If you think about it this makes sense because of the cumulative effect. Even a 1RM, no matter how important intensity may be to this equation, just can't have as much of an effect as something you do for a longer period of time. So my idea of it being related to higher rep squats is prob the most valid, so your plan to try lower reps is definitely a sound plan.

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Old 09-03-2006, 02:12 PM   #7
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today i went to the gym and did a random workout and started it with de squats, as described in a posted thread on the westside clubs methods of powerlift training, i didnt get feint once. i was doing sets of 2-3 with somewhere around 50 percent of my max. did about 8 sets.

i then went onto some deadlifts. i was doing reps of one, with small rests inbetween and on about the third i felt a little feint. i took a lil more time between that rep and the next, and it didnt happen again.

i think it has something to do with the motion of working up and down, but if i keep my reps low then i think ill be able to avoid feeling feint. thanks for the help and advice.
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First of all, it's "faint". "Feint" means a movement meant to deceive.

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NOS = Nitrous Oxide (N2O) is for cars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrous_oxide

NO = Nirtric Oxide is in people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitric_oxide

Maybe you were taking NOS if you were getting light headed.

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If it has something to do with up and down motion then I'd say it points more to a inner ear problem so you might want pay attention to any other times you may get dizzy on account of different movements.

But I doubt that (course who knows and think it is simply volume related. Notice that when you increased the rest on the DL's it didn't happen again. So sounds like you're on the right track. You can probably try slightly higher reps in 4-6 range when appropriate and of course keep a decent rest period. Could be that after a while the problem will resolve itself.
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idk, I've always felt lightheaded when increasing the weight for my squats or any other major compound exercise. never had any problems physically or mentally... ever. I like to think you're feeling lightheaded because you are working so dang hard. your body is screaming "stop, I don't wanna grow big and strong" but in your mind you're telling your body "shut up and grow, damnit!" j/k

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