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Old 06-08-2006, 02:27 PM   #1
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Man that sounds like some kind of Ellington Darden 1980s Nuatilus madness. I cant imagine anyone but newbees growing off this stuff. By the time you would finish your squats you would be huffing and puffing so bad that eveything else afterwords would suffer.
I think maybe cutting it into push and pull would make more sense.
Please tell me how anyone but a newbe could get mass on a full body workout?
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Old 06-08-2006, 02:35 PM   #2
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All that you need to find that out is already on this forum. Since you will never bother to read any of it why should we bother? We have been down this road and discussed this again and again on this forum.

You don't want anyone to answer you question because you've made up your mind what you "believe".

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Man that sounds like some kind of Ellington Darden 1980s Nuatilus madness. I cant imagine anyone but newbees growing off this stuff. By the time you would finish your squats you would be huffing and puffing so bad that eveything else afterwords would suffer.
I think maybe cutting it into push and pull would make more sense.
Please tell me how anyone but a newbe could get mass on a full body workout?
Here, please go here: www.hypertrophy-specific.com

And currently, Boris Kleine, German bodybuilding pro uses HST as well as countless others with unbelievable success. And yes, Boris does a LOT more weight than you..Everything three times a week.

Now, I know this is bullshit because NO "trainer" would NOT know all about how to induce hypertrophy!!



Here's Boris: 3 times a week fullbody, lots more weight than you, and he doesn't use machines and the smith.

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Boris Kleine’s HST

He will currently be doing an abbreviated routine due to a busy time schedule.

3 times per week fullbody:

3 sets bench press
3 sets shoulder press
3 sets squats
3 sets deadlifts
2 sets barbell curls
3 sets chin ups
I'm guessing you're from bb.com?

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You aren't a trainer if you don't know what induces hypertrophy. Pure and simple. I know this is bullshit for the simple fact that you NEED to tell everyone your e-numbers to start off every post!..Then when someone disagrees, your rebuttle is that they must be newbs! LOL!!

It's called a complex when someone NEWLY joins an bodybuilding forum and starts writing essays about "feeling" or "I'm not going to grow unless I'm sore". If you really must post your whole list of e-numbers so everyone will at least click on your thread, just write all your lifts in your sig..Just don't take up the whole page!

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Yup, cut and paste..However, either I write it and take the time, or I'll just paste it for you. It's quite simple. All I need you to do is look at the area in yellow and simply follow through with anymore hypertrophy questions you have...

Hypertrophy Principle's all layed out for Sleeper.

1) Mechanical Load
Mechanical Load is necessary to induce muscle hypertrophy. This mechanism involves but isn't limited to, MAPk/ERK, satellite cells, growth factors, calcium, and number of other fairly understood factors. It is incorrect to say "we don't know how muscle grows in response to training". The whole point of the HST book is not to discuss HST, but to present the body of research explaining how hypertrophy occurs. Then HST becomes a relatively obvious conclusion if your goal is hypertrophy.

2) Acute vs. Chronic Stimuli
In order for the loading to result in significant hypertrophy, the stimulus must be applied with sufficient frequency to create a new "environment", as opposed to seemingly random and acute assaults on the mechanical integrity of the tissue. The downside of taking a week of rest every time you load a muscle is that many of the acute responses to training like increased protein synthesis, prostaglandins, IGF-1 levels, and mRNA levels all return to normal in about 36 hours. So, you spend 2 days growing and half a week in a semi-anticatabolic state returning to normal (some people call this recovery), when research shows us that recovery can take place unabated even if a the muscle is loaded again in 48 hours. So true anabolism from loading only lasts 2 days at best once the load is removed. The rest of the time you are simply balancing nitrogen retention without adding to it.

3) Progressive Load
Over time, the tissue adapts and becomes resistant to the damaging effects of mechanical load. This adaptation (resistance to the stimulus) can happen in as little as 48 hours (Repeated Bout Effect or Rapid Training Effect). As this happens, hypertrophy will stop, though neural and metabolic adaptations can and may continue. As opposed to hypertrophy, the foundation for the development of strength is neuromuscular in nature. Increases in strength from resistance exercise have been attributed to several neural adaptations including altered recruitment patterns, rate coding, motor unit synchronization, reflex potentiation, prime mover antagonist activity, and prime mover agonist activity. So, aside from incremental changes in the number of contractile filaments (hypertrophy), voluntary force production (i.e. strength) is largely a matter of "activating" motor units.

4) Strategic Deconditioning
At this point, it is necessary to either increase the load (Progressive load), or decrease the degree of conditioning to the load (Strategic Deconditioning). The muscle is sensitive not only to the absolute load, but also to the change in load (up or down). Therefore, you can get a hypertrophic effect from increasing the load from a previous load, even if the absolute load is not maximum, assuming conditioning (resistance to exercise induced micro-damage) is not to extensive. There is a limit to the number of increments you can add to increase the load. You simply reach your maximum voluntary strength eventually. This is why Strategic Deconditioning is required for continued growth once growth has stopped (all things remaining equal).
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Here you go in case you missed it..

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Man that sounds like some kind of Ellington Darden 1980s Nuatilus madness. I cant imagine anyone but newbees growing off this stuff. By the time you would finish your squats you would be huffing and puffing so bad that eveything else afterwords would suffer.
I think maybe cutting it into push and pull would make more sense.
Please tell me how anyone but a newbe could get mass on a full body workout?
YES ! I MEAN I DON'T DO THINGS ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN BELIEFS, THEREFORE IM A NOOOOOOOOOOOOB !!!!!!!

Just stop posting here. Narrowminded people aren't welcome. Being argumentive and sharing views is one thing, but you demoralize anyone who doesn't immediatley agree with you. GO AWAY.
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Good job guys. I got a little bored with this last night I must admit. Thanks for fighting the good fight.
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I'm doing HST right now and the results are starting to show up rapidly...therefore I am Noob.

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