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Old 07-30-2008, 03:51 PM   #21
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I think I went on too much which is why I was asking
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Old 07-30-2008, 04:37 PM   #22
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OP - What are you currently doing for your triceps now ?
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Old 07-30-2008, 06:13 PM   #23
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Wide grip pushdowns, some dips, Over head extensions, and on a good day maybe some kick backs.
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Old 07-30-2008, 06:17 PM   #24
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How often are you doing these ? How many days a week ?
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probably once a week, unless you count the bench press.
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Old 07-30-2008, 07:13 PM   #26
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Dips, especially weighted dips when you can handle it, are where it's at. They're my favorite, second favorite would be strict OH tri ext. Close grip bench is fantastic also, but I rarely do it. If you're doing all three (or four) of those on the same day, then you're overdoing it.

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Old 07-30-2008, 07:30 PM   #27
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If your doing bench twice a week and triceps once a week , that is good enough. I personally only like to do 8-10 sets for triceps. Everyone is different which I'm sure you know , so you will have to see what works for you. Remember they're not going to get big over night and if your not eating proper then it wont matter what you do.

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The only other thing I'll add is this. Be careful not to focus too much on tri's, I know you want them to get bigger, but it may end up being a double edged sword. IME when you focus too much on one muscle group, you end up hitting it every workout, throwing in extra movements for it, and over training the hell out of it. More isnt always better.

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It isn't that I specifically have a contrary point of view against any one person, IW, but more that I simply feel free to speak my mind. It is the internet, I'm not coming to take anyone's birthday, and I enjoy a good discussion. That is all there is to it.

Now, as for quoting one coach or another... Well, I would say that I strongly subscribe to the "Take what makes sense and leave the rest" camp. Some Rippetoe stuff makes sense, some doesn't. Do I think it is a fair enough starting point for most beginners? Possibly, but it isn't the only way to jump in the pool and learn to swim. In fact, I would generally view those types of training methods as "weights for dummies." There is so precious little that you can do wrong so long as you follow the plan. Nothing wrong with that, but in the end it probably isn't the starting point that I would go with first. In fact, I think Staley's EDT training is a great point of entry for most beginners. As the methodology doesn't particularly impose certain lifts, can reasonably be used with large compounds or isolation movements, and also includes (almost by accident?) the need to gut out your lifts and show some determination (impose your will). That all being said, do I use it? Some, but mostly in my supporting lifts. While I like some of WSBB, some of it doesn't necessarily make sense for my goals. I would be terribly undertrained if I followed WSBB. Maybe strong, but strength by itself wouldn't get me where I want to go.

So you could say that I am willing to "argue" the finer points and draw backs of any program and methodology. If I play the devil's advocate sometimes, it is mostly to show an OP or reader that there is more than one way to skin a cat. Dogma in weight lifting is a real chaffer to me.
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Old 08-01-2008, 07:53 AM   #30
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I think you're basing alot of this on the fact that you are an advanced lifter. I almost guarantee you that he is not. And "weights for dummies" is pretty much what every beginner needs if you ask me. When you start out you really have no idea what you're doing (or most people anyways) so if you have a simple plan to follow while you learn about all of the ins and outs of lifting then all the better I say.

And as for disagreeing with me on everything. Well, I guess thats good. It brings up some good discussions and people saying WHY they are saying what they are saying instead of just saying it and not backing it up. So thanks for that. No hard feelings here.

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