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Old 04-13-2007, 01:31 PM   #1
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Hi,

I've been working out for approx. 1.5 years on the same exact (for the most part) schedule. I've been reading a bit, and I found some text that said it's best to "jumble" or switch around the body parts once in awhile with another body part. This is my regular schedule:

Day 1- Chest/Triceps
Day 2- Back/Biceps
Day 3- Shoulders/Legs

I'm sort of thinking im not getting bigger, or making as much gains as I used to. Would it be beneficial to switch around the body parts to "shock" my body and get gains, faster? If so, how would I do that, and how would I know which body parts to switch around? If someone could show me I'd be grateful.

Thanks in advance...
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you want size ? Try a 5x5 program. Also you will have to eat to grow.
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All that 'shocking' your muscles is bullshit. Keep with a program until you stop seeing results, strength or otherwise. The main concepts for gaining muscle and strength are proper sets/reps, rest, eating, and continual overload (ie. progression) You can't keep overloading your muscles if your flipflopping programs every 6 weeks.

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you want size ? Try a 5x5 program. Also you will have to eat to grow.
I've gotten pretty good size with this 2 day split program, and I prefer to stay with it. Since I only have access to dumbells, I beleive my workouts would be too short if I did a 5x5.

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All that 'shocking' your muscles is bullshit. Keep with a program until you stop seeing results, strength or otherwise. The main concepts for gaining muscle and strength are proper sets/reps, rest, eating, and continual overload (ie. progression) You can't keep overloading your muscles if your flipflopping programs every 6 weeks.

No offense, but I think I trust a worldwide published book more than you. I've seen that "muscle shocking" idea in various texts. And as I've said, I personally think I've stopped seeing results. And I do practice the "continual overload"; I say I'll do 10, I'll squeeze out 12, if that's what your talking about.

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You only have dumbells so that means you only have a certain amount of weight. And yet you are practising continuous overload. So you squeeze out 12 instead of 10. Then what? Add a set? Where does it stop? 20 sets of 12? And when that doesn't work you change the exercise since your muscles must be bored and so you have to shock them. And then they say, wow, I'm really excited now at this change of pace, I think I shall grow. Whatever floats your boat.

If you ask a question based on an assumption with the purpose of having everyone back up what you already believe...why bother? Tell you what, why don't you use the limited weight at your disposal and keep thinking up ways to shock your muscles with it for a couple of years and then come back on and tell us how that's working for you. BTW, try bad language and racy jokes in case your muscles are prudish.

The key to ANY type of adaptive process in the body is progression. You have to introduce a stimulus that is greater than the stimulus before. At the same time it has to be similar enough to force your body to adapt in a SPECIFIC way. The body doesn't adapt to random inputs. If fact the body has NO NEED to adapt to random inputs.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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You only have dumbells so that means you only have a certain amount of weight. And yet you are practising continuous overload. So you squeeze out 12 instead of 10. Then what? Add a set? Where does it stop? 20 sets of 12? And when that doesn't work you change the exercise since your muscles must be bored and so you have to shock them. And then they say, wow, I'm really excited now at this change of pace, I think I shall grow. Whatever floats your boat.

If you ask a question based on an assumption with the purpose of having everyone back up what you already believe...why bother? Tell you what, why don't you use the limited weight at your disposal and keep thinking up ways to shock your muscles with it for a couple of years and then come back on and tell us how that's working for you. BTW, try bad language and racy jokes in case your muscles are prudish.

The key to ANY type of adaptive process in the body is progression. You have to introduce a stimulus that is greater than the stimulus before. At the same time it has to be similar enough to force your body to adapt in a SPECIFIC way. The body doesn't adapt to random inputs. If fact the body has NO NEED to adapt to random inputs.


Hey dude, I wasn't asking for the dickhead comment, so bugger off. I'm only 15, I've still got a lot to learn, and am trying to learn and ask questions on here. Seems people like yourself don't care to help an amateur, but rather make fun of him for things he doesn't know about. Also why are you making an assumption that I have "limited weights at my disposal"? Never said anything about that, all I inquired was that I'm pushing myself to do 2 more reps than I regulairly do. And FYI, I do have sufficient weights that allow me to practice proper #'s of reps/sets, not "20 sets of 12".

In response to your last paragraph: I have been practicing proper progression over the span in which I have been lifting, but I feel that I've not been looking any larger for months now...With the information I received about switching around workouts, I was having thoughts that this may be causing my "not getting larger" issue. Apparently not. I'll try you're suggestions for awhile, by not performing "random" rep sets, but doing the same reps all the time, and bumping up weight/rep amounts every so often and sticking with them for an amount of time, ie progression.

Thank you for your help, Eric3237, I beleive you have answered my question.
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No offense, but I think I trust a worldwide published book more than you
I was responding to that. If you are going to ask questions on a forum but have decided in advance that you are not goin to "trust" anyone whose opinions differ from a book you own, you will get no where and you will waste a lot of people's time.

I think I did help you. By telling you in my "dickheaded" way that Kane (and Talo) were right and that you should listen instead of sticking to your preconcieved notions. BTW, you said you only have dumbells and that you couldn't do a 5x5 because of that. So you are limited by your own statement.
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I was responding to that. If you are going to ask questions on a forum but have decided in advance that you are not goin to "trust" anyone whose opinions differ from a book you own, you will get no where and you will waste a lot of people's time.

I think I did help you. By telling you in my "dickheaded" way that Kane (and Talo) were right and that you should listen instead of sticking to your preconcieved notions. BTW, you said you only have dumbells and that you couldn't do a 5x5 because of that. So you are limited by your own statement.
the little bitch (oxymoron29) got owned straight up.

as for what the kid said: dude, u are

what EVERYONE here has been saying is true....what ur saying is not. plus, like what Eric said (when he owned ur ass with his reply above): u are limited by ur own statement.

u know guys, i think we should have a forum that says "agree with me" for ppl like him who just want 10 ppl to confirm what he is doing is correct. that way, we can all increase are post count too

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