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Old 07-30-2007, 12:14 AM   #11
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I have to disagree here.. I too have lost a considerable amount of weight! And you have to get a good diet in order to reach your full potential. I see people in the gym everyday who ride stationary bikes and walk on the treadmills some even jogging most moaning every minute...I have also seen many of them never reach their full potential because they can't/won't clean up their diets. I've been there done that moaning and all... Real changes will come when you get a proper diet in order. Cardio will only take you so far. It takes cardio and lifting and a complete diet overhaul to help you with a long term weight loss. Through learning to eat right you will be able to keep the weight off for good. It's easy to lose weight, it's harder to lose good weight(fat not muscle), and it's even harder to keep it off. Get the diet in check and find some cardio you like! Sports, something fun, etc. LIFT when your at the gym. Their's too much to see outside to run on a machine. Go out and do something for exercise. It will keep you interested a lot longer as well.

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Old 07-30-2007, 07:37 AM   #12
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Yep, cardio is secondary to diet when losing large amounts of weight. It is complementary in that sense. If you want to see how this is true just look at a big gym. If your were to observe closely you would see the same people plugging away at the cardio day after day with nary a change in body comp. That's cuz so many people convince themselves that all they have to do is get on a treadmill. That is true for some few people but in "general" diet is what's going to make or break you. It may not have to be huge changes but it's really the key. Or perhaps it would be better to say "eating habits".

But Markus has some very good points about diet. as do you, E, and I have to agree with a lot of it.

As far as diets, you know, all the popular fad diets that have been around for a while have the same records of success. That's because any diet for the overweight, if it has some kind of a calorie deficit, will work at first, no matter what the gymick of the diet is. The problem is one of long term compliance. It's not that people don't lose weight, it's that the diet can't be stuck to long term. The key is not a "diet" at all because a "diet" speaks of something short term. The key is long term lifestyle changes you can live with.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Old 07-30-2007, 07:44 AM   #13
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Very good point Eric.. That exactly what I wanted to say in my rambling.. LoL You have to get your eating habits in check... That is what I meant by getting the diet in check. Not just lose weight! It's a more permanent change! And yes he makes some very good points! All good advice and it sounds like he has lost quite a bit of weight as well.
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Old 07-30-2007, 07:47 AM   #14
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Oh, yeah, I saw what you were saying. I was just saying, besides where you placed your emphasis (diet or exercise) you were both saying many of the same things
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Old 07-30-2007, 10:33 AM   #15
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I only say that exercise will ultimately be the best lifestyle change, because once you do finally reach your target bodyweight... you don't have to continue on a strict diet. It's your choice obviously, but I personally love food (which probably got myself into my position in the first place :|). Since I shed all that weight, I've been a lot flexible and lenient with what I eat. I eat more pizza, occasional fast food, get Slurpees/Slushes every once and a while and I drink alcohol again. Basically I indulge myself a lot more. Much more than I would on my diet because I wouldn't have lost anything. This isn't saying that I'm a complete pig now. I still am very conscience about what I eat and how much I eat. I just eat a bit more now. Instead of a chicken breast, I'll maybe have a steak or instead of vinegarette dressing I'll up it to Caesar. Small changes that allow myself to feel more satisfied. It's been a good 6 months since I've lost all that weight and I haven't put any extra weight back on. I'm still in the gym for the same amount of time 6 days a week, but my main focus is more to bulk up. I've dropped cardio to 3 days a week and I'm more active in my everyday life. Small things like taking the stairs, parking farther away, walking 18 holes of golf instead of a cart, etc allow you to maintain a healthy lifestyle

It's different for everyone, and there's many opinions out there... but for me, getting more active was more beneficial to my happiness so far than keeping with my 5-6 small meals a day for 8 months. However, I think 'E' and Eric have different connotations to the word 'diet' that I do I still consider the word to mean sacrificing everything that is good and pure to achieve a weight loss
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Old 07-30-2007, 10:45 AM   #16
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Well if you like being in the gym six days a week more power to you .

The slower a person loses weight with small systematic changes, the easier it will be to keep it off in the long run despite dietary indiscretion and without being a "slave" to your body. That's all I'm saying. I have the same ideas of what a diet is. I just don't think that "diets" aren't always the best way to go. A diet is a short term solution to what will be a longterm problem for most if they can't find a "lifestyle" they can adhere to. Sounds like you have found that so far and I agree, everybody has to find a thing that works for them that they can be comfortable with and maintain. But I have to question if someone will stick to being in the gym for six days a week for the long term. I've been down that road with other issues of training in ways that make you a slave to your body and it is hard to maintain enthusiasm for. Not doubting you, just rambling

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the way you eat either. It's just that you ability to keep weight off has everything to do with how your body responds to the weightloss in the first place. If someone loses weight too quickly then evey little indulges has a magnified effect. It's like your body is primed to regain that fat at the earliest possible convenience. If you have been able to keep it off, then great!
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Old 07-30-2007, 10:58 AM   #17
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Nothing of the sorts. I don't mean to sacrifice anything and cheat days are very beneficial, for the weight loss and motivation. I just mean put better fuel in the machine and it will be much more productive for a longer period of time. I don't mean crash diets of any kind.. Anytime you lose mass amounts of weight quickly something is wrong. You can pretty much fast by not taking enough calories, or cutting carbs. The weight will fall off for a while!!! I repeat for a while... But it's not healthy, thinking long term here.
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Old 07-30-2007, 07:56 PM   #18
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wow some really good points so far

just to clarify i know that it wont be a quick fix, im not looking for that at all, i know this will take time which is why i trying to find ways to keep me motivated and stay on track! and yes, i think my best motivation will be watching my body change as i loose the pounds!

i went to www.fitday.com and i got the program and i found that doing the kind of set up wizard thing it asks what weight id like to get down too, im not really looking to loose it like that, im looking to go from 115 down to maybe 110 or 105 but just loose the fat weight n keep muscle weight so im not sure what i should do in that regard to the program, but the food calculator is awsome and ill be using that definatly!

i know that i have only started recently and my body will be no where near ready for a huge overhaul, but i think its whats needed to get my out of my treating my body like shit rut im in.

so now i have to go and get my diet in check, i dont think ill splurge in the 1st couple of weeks tho :P and yes your right going for a jog outside is much better that in the gym on a tredmil. im going to read more in to HIIT when i get the chance.

and ENORRIS, what you said in your last post got too me, i dont want the weight off just for a while, i dont want a quick fix! i want it off n too stay off but in order too do that i have to change a fair bit about my lifestyle... and im actually looking forward too it
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Old 07-30-2007, 09:02 PM   #19
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Definitely fella, and I wish you the best of luck.. I think I have shed nearly 100lbs. of fat over the last couple years and added several pounds of lean muscle. If you can get a good diet in you can find fun cardio that will keep you motivated... In the long run you don't have to live and die by running it off.. Change a little at a time.. And find some activities you like... Myself, I prefer kick boxing, sparring, heavy bag etc., as well as BJJ. Just whatever floats your boat... The changes will keep coming and you'll stay motivated I'd bet. And lifting helps all around it will help the fat loss and will show off all your hard work later on. Best of luck to you.
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