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07-31-2006, 09:19 AM
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Rank: Middleweight
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Location: 7th layer.. or DC.
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Originally Posted by verbatimreturned
I come back, from not being here for a day or two....and I miss ALLLLLLLLLL of the fun  hahaha |
I feel you on this... funny stuff guys...
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07-31-2006, 12:44 PM
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Rank: Heavyweight
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 6,314
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Originally Posted by ???
a guy named chris robinson trained me with mentzer h
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On one of those things he says he IS chris robinson. Boy, this is one complex dude. I wonder if he has a talking car?
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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08-01-2006, 05:44 PM
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Rank: Light Heavyweight
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: CA
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Originally Posted by ttwarrior
Dorian yates did one set, larry scott recommends one set now, yes one set.
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Sorry for bumping this rather extremely arrogant piece of propaganda, but this caught my eye..
Lets forget the fact that Dorian Yates was one of the most injury proned bodybuilder out there. He may in fact SAY that he has one set that he does, but think of all the volume he used to build up to that set! If he's doing a 500 lb incline press, it would likely take him over 30 minutes to warm up. People mistake DC for HIT as well all the time. A DC rest/pause set is in reality 3 mini sets each taken to POSITIVE failure...ie no forced HIT reps, ect.
And I still have yet to understand the "secret formula" for the exact amount of rest days it takes for a muscle to "heal".  If it takes a muscle up to 30 days to FULLY heal, as I've read, why the fuck wait 5?..or 12? 
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08-01-2006, 05:53 PM
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Rank: Light Heavyweight
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: CA
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Originally Posted by Madcow2
It is not that "HTV" [sic] people are just witty or good with words or able to distort things and pull the wool over people's eyes while the truly faithful remain unphased.
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"If you were too exhausted to crawl--which was sometimes the case--you were physically grabbed and dragged to the next exercise. Jones' opinion of an acceptable level of intensity: "Have you ever vomited as a result of doing one set of [biceps] curls? If not, then you simply don't know what hard work is. Ahh, those were the days."
There's also the "Superslow" system created by the Protestant HIT Jedi Ken Hutchins. His peculiar wrinkle to HIT theory has to do with friction. Says he:
"When you pull a trigger on a rifle or gun, you're supposed to pull with a slow, steady squeeze to the rear - if you jerk the trigger than the shot will be off. Same thing when lifting weights - each repetition should be a slow, steady squeeze of the muscle with no jerking.
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08-01-2006, 07:36 PM
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Rank: Light Heavyweight
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: CA
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Originally Posted by 0311
People mistake DC for HIT as well all the time. A DC rest/pause set is in reality 3 mini sets each taken to POSITIVE failure...ie no forced HIT reps, ect.
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Here's a some good posts about how DC Training is NOT anything like HIT. Just to make it clear since the HIT'ites always try to jump on the bandwagon.
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Originally Posted by Dante
On a side note-I wish to god these HIT guys could think outside the box--anything they see that is lower volume they have to think "QUICK FRANKIE PUT IT IN THE HIT GROUP"----People hit chest 3 times in 1.5 weeks with my methods with the same exercises that volume guys would hit on their hitting chest once a week routine.
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Originally Posted by Dellsguy67
may i try to be the voice of reason?
DC differs from HIT (mentzer style) because:
1) HIT is every 4-7 days, meaning chest, for example, is worked every 2-3 weeks or more. DC, like he said, works a muscle group 3 times within about 10days or so on a 3 day split.
2) HIT maximizes recovery by having you train roughly everytime there is a full moon, whereas DC has nutrition, rest, etc in place, and features minimal inroads to recovery ability while maximizing muscle stimulation during a workout......low, volume + high intensity + recovery variables in place = big growth.
3) HIT uses all kinds of intensity techniques (rest pause, forced reps, etc.) DC focuses mostly on rest pause WITH specific guidelines different from HIT.
4) HIT features pre exhaust techniques for muscles like chest and legs, but DC wants you to beat the bejeezus out of your muscle group with one exercise.
sorry to break it to you, but HIT training MIGHT have influenced Dante's ideas to try low volume way back in the day when designing a program, but aside from that, HIT is nothing like DC as you can see above. All HIT did was offer the training world another perspective to oppose volume methods. things in this arena aren't so black and white that it is either one or the other. classifying them for the sake of giving them a place and a title.....well.....you can see what that has done
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Wanted to post this becuase a lot of HIT people actually believe that DC is the same thing....Don't blame them either with the results DC Training has across the board. 
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08-01-2006, 10:09 PM
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Rank: New Member
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Join Date: Jul 2006
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Want to know what I think?
I think to many people stuff around with theories about what is the ultimate way to gain mass.
Guess what - and here is the big secret - anything works!
Some guys train light with lots of strict sets, some guys train heavy with sloppy form and low sets - they both get big.
Just get your ass in the gym and do some sets to failure, eat often and natural, don't overtrain, move your weights up incrementally. You'll get bigger
Train to your style and what keeps you interested in the gym (or any exercise), if you are interested and enjoy it you'll keep going. If you keep going then you'll get bigger.
And eat often and natural, don't skip any meals. Read this sentence 5 more times.
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08-01-2006, 10:41 PM
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Rank: Lightweight
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: new york
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Originally Posted by Conan Steven
Want to know what I think?
I think to many people stuff around with theories about what is the ultimate way to gain mass.
Guess what - and here is the big secret - anything works!
Some guys train light with lots of strict sets, some guys train heavy with sloppy form and low sets - they both get big.
Just get your ass in the gym and do some sets to failure, eat often and natural, don't overtrain, move your weights up incrementally. You'll get bigger
Train to your style and what keeps you interested in the gym (or any exercise), if you are interested and enjoy it you'll keep going. If you keep going then you'll get bigger.
And eat often and natural, don't skip any meals. Read this sentence 5 more times.
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That's what I did before I really got into programs and to be honest it sure as hell always worked....nicely said if you ask me 
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