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Old 11-08-2008, 07:43 PM   #31
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So I guess you think Quality is important Huh E? Dont think I've heard you mention it before!!!

I likey your thoughts on deloads too MR T

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Old 11-08-2008, 07:47 PM   #32
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Damn, I meant to mention that before
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Old 11-09-2008, 07:55 AM   #33
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This is going to take me a long while to read since I've got A LOT of stuff on my plate all day lol. Yep, football being one of them! I've read a few pages and Eric was able to ellaborate exactly what I was saying to the 'nth' degree. The framework is there fellas. You owe it to yourselves to read through it a few times because everything in here is a combined 20+ years of training successes and failures as well as the realization that training is only a small part of our lives. The best results will always come from believing in what you're doing, and not falling down the path of having a "bad day" in the gym ruin the other 23 hours in your day lol. I've always believed that if you get to the point to where you're so obsessive that you wake up at zero-dark-thirty just to slam a protein shake before you start the day, you're either doing a contest prep, or you've been brainwashed to think you actually need something like that.

So what do I think? I only have two big gripes about every journal section in every forum I've visited:

1) It's a race, but for what? No idea. People will have to be talked off a roof top before they commit suicide because their gym closed early on Christmas. I don't think I need to go further than that. Everyone treats training like it's a rat race. I can see having a comp or a meet in a time frame, but for the rest of you, it's hurting, not helping. It's hard not to think some people as being about as deep as a frisbee! Look at me, I could've probably gone back to the gym after a week of migranes, but I didn't. Why? Because I train for myself, and my health. Accepting WHO you are, and WHAT you've ALREADY accomplished is the first step to MASSIVE gains in the gym. Those who are stressing and losing sleep over that which they have no control over will always be spinning their wheels over how to fix it. A hardgainer will always be a hardgainer if they continue training to be someone they are not.

Think about this. Where would everyone be right now if instead of comparing themselves to other people in the forums, they instead compare themselves to where they were a year ago? How realistic is it if you're comparing yourself to someone who is, say, using a few week cycles of Superdrol and saying their clean LOL? That's what they say, but why the fuck would you believe them?! Gotta love the annonymus internet forums!

2. "Alright guys, I'm doing DFHT, and here's what I'm picking!"

Barbell Bench followed by...
Incline DB...
JS Rows...
Power Cleans...
JM Presses...
Barbell Curls...



I've never known anyone anywhere who could do compound exercises one after the other like that. People HAVE TO include powercleans, with zero reasoning other than, well, I want to be explosive or "different" LOL. So you gotta hold your breath for the voice of sanity to reign down from the Heavens and ask two important questions:

1) What's your strength base at?

2) What is your reasoning for picking those exercises other than them being popular?

I'm going to leave it at that because I've hammered away at this for so many years that I've lost the fight and patience in me. I can remember the days long ago after doing some benching and barbell rows (to the floor) where it wiped me out. So instead of approaching the training from a sensible standpoint, I had to slime through the rest to where my eyes were halfway closed and I had to pass out on one of the mats on the floor, all the while pretending to be stretching so noone would call an ambulance lol. It really only boils down to YOU. Ask yourself if you only do something like heavy benching and heavy barbell rows (deloading on the floor) and perhaps another isolation before you almost die, is that going to be enough? Hell yes it is!

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Old 11-09-2008, 10:04 AM   #34
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Good stuff .

Some of the hardest training i've done is when I've only had 2 or maybe 3 exercises to do.
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Old 11-09-2008, 12:31 PM   #35
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I'm really lovin this thread.

D has helped me out more than I could ever thank him for. From the beginning he was there to steer me in the right direction and lend me a hand when I needed one. His training history has played a big part in my training history, and he's undoubtedly been a huge factor in getting me to where I am now.

DH and Eric continue to be fountains of invaluable knowledge. Thanks Brothas

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DH has echoed my thoughts exactly. I think there are a few of you who I've tried to talk down off a cliff a few times.

I also think that many of use transfer a lot of the stress and worry in our everyday lives onto our training. You know, like D said about things you can't control. Well in life there are things you hardly have ANY real control of but you feel like you do have control of your training and your body so it is easy to become obsessive in that way. That's just part of it and of course I'm not saying it's the ONLY reason.

Heck that actually leads into the overtraining thing. Anyway I know that D has plenty on his plate but I knew that this would make a great thread when I saw it and I didn't want it to just turn into this empty kind of "good stuff, D"..

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Old 11-11-2008, 05:03 PM   #37
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So I want to expand on the whole psychology thing. Anxiety and all that.

There were numerous statements by DH that got me motivated to go into this. I'll just quote a few here:

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I know the times I've tried to go back to back days in the gym, all I could think about was if it was worth my getting up so early before work. No matter how subtle, it'll affect performance, and no amount of preworkout magic shakes is going to change that.


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It's a race, but for what? No idea..... I can see having a comp or a meet in a time frame, but for the rest of you, it's hurting, not helping.


This stuff is NOT obvious to the majority of people out there. Even most of the more advanced ones. Whatcha want to bet that many people will read those statements and not get that DH is talking about phsycological aspects as WELL as preparation, recovery, and all that. No, he's not talking about pre-workout nutrition, lol.

We have had SO many threads about motivation and anxiety and concentration and those types of things they are uncoutable. I've only just begun to really appreciate the phsychological aspect of training and how it all ties together.

Yeah, some of you have heard me talk about it before and I've probably pointed out many times to certain people when they PM about all their workout related stress that it's probably more than just training related, but I've had my own hangups that caused me not to truly appreciate this stuff. I guess I'll sort of do my own 'phsychological history' briefly to illustrate. I mean mostly training related, lol, there ain't enough years to relate it all

You see my thing is a bit of the opposite of what some people get. I tend to be 'hyperfocused'. I have an almost unhealth ability to tune out everything but the task at hand. That can help me get a lot of work done but in training it can be both a blessing and a curse. You can see why it would be a blessing. The reason it could be a curse is not as obvious and it took me a long time to get it.

Problem is that "focus" alone isn't everything. You have to focus on the right things! I've had to be able to step outside myself also and realize that just as I can focus on good ways of doing things, I can also use that focus and motivation to ignore my own stress, feelings of boredom, etc..

I'll use Anuj as an example because I know he won't mind. I'll bet you he can remember me basically telling him to "get over it" when he was bored or disatisfied with his training. My feeling was that it was a problem in attitude. I said in another thread recently that many of the things people tell you have more to do with themselves than you. Well, THAT had as much to do with me, if not more, than it did Anuj.

I'm not the only one here like that, I know.

Obviously I would never want to lose my focus. Iím not complaining. Concentration in the gym is not a problem for me. But I also have the unhealthy ability to continue, in a completely dedicated mindset, down completely blind alleys while bricks are raining down and burying me. I donít think I would have been able to continue being successful if I hadnít started changing the way I look at certain things. I like to be self-sufficient, thatís for sure, but you can only go so far with that stuff. I donít know everything, including what goes on in my own psyche.

DH, mentioned the 2 on one off schedule with 4 day routines. Well I did that once to tell you the truth and it sucked so I hung it up. Luckily that was at a time when I had gotten over, a bit, my tendency to stick to unproductive protocols. But that brings me back to this idea of someone's training being "optimal".

Optimal doesn't exist in training. Because if you make one aspect of training optimal, another one suffers and becomes suboptimal. To answer that, many simply rate variables in terms of importance. This leads to the mostly abritrary "mathematical" designations of training variables like "it's 60% this, 30 %, that with a smattering of a few other things". Which is, of course, complete bullshit.

At those times when I have tried to dial in optimal FREQUENCY, for instance: Of course the fullbody 5x5 comes to mind. Yeah, I had some success. But I spent as much time during those grueling days worrying about having a bad day in gym, catastrophising over potential injuries since some joint or other was always tweaked, or simple dreading the whole thing. Each day was completely like the last. The one goal of simply adding a little load to the bar in the hopes of some far off PR was was derailing my drive and enthusiasm. All of that equalling to DISTRESS. How optimal is that? I'm talking about me and how I approached it I'm not saying that another person couldn't have a more healthy approach.

All the while I told myself that was the price of dedication. Not realizing that EVERYTHING matters.
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Old 11-11-2008, 06:32 PM   #38
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^^^ I really needed to read this right now. Great timing and great post!
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Old 11-11-2008, 08:58 PM   #39
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Thanks, Anuj.

BTW, I've been meaning to link this thread here.

http://www.bodybuilding.net/training...hlight=cerebro

This is a good example of some of the things that were discussed here...of just how this rigid, authoritative mindset can get. Hate to seem to be singling Jeffo out but it's too good an example not to show. And let me say that I have been very guilty of this in the past.
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Just when I thought I was caught up, you post a link with more reading...
Very interesting topic to talk about. We all have been guilty of "the program", what ever it is, at one time or another.

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